Wade: Bron catching Jordan is a pipes dream

[FaTaL]

Mj has a flawless finals record, bron can never match that

 

[Starman]

Not losing in the finals is a distinction without merit, it literally means nothing at all to me.
Fact is LeBron can still equal or exceed MJ in total points, already higher in rebounds and assists, can catch or exceed him in titles, finals mvps, league mvps and etc.
Sorry but Jordan hasn't even placed a hurdle that LeBron can't jump, and in my opinion LeBron already has moved past him and magic and bird, who I had over Jordan.
Its okay buddy, Jordan can always remain #1 in your heart.

Dapping because I agree with most of this post- and I dig the smugness at the end.

Anyway, you're right the not losing in the finals argument is especially irksome when you consider how many times Bron has been to the finals.

I hope Bron passes Jordan in every category just to see haters lose their shyt. Go Bron go! And if he doesn't, it's still been great to watch him play.

 

[Shutdown10]

Not losing in the finals is a distinction without merit, it literally means nothing at all to me.
Fact is LeBron can still equal or exceed MJ in total points, already higher in rebounds and assists, can catch or exceed him in titles, finals mvps, league mvps and etc.
Sorry but Jordan hasn't even placed a hurdle that LeBron can't jump, and in my opinion LeBron already has moved past him and magic and bird, who I had over Jordan.
Its okay buddy, Jordan can always remain #1 in your heart.

Whether you like it or not the bar has been set. One title in Cleveland and two manufactured titles in Miami will not change that. Jordan destroys this guy in stats when they count so please stop bringing up numbers. When we compare pantheon of greats we look at their impact on winning and how they won. It is the only way to compare great from good or mediocre. You can't compare apples to oranges. It sounds like Lebron will always be number one in your heart even when you know he will never supersede MJ. Maybe you can start creating you tube videos and make some coin at the same time trying convince some people out there since you are persistent with your trolling.

 

[David_TheMan]

Whether you like it or not the bar has been set. One title in Cleveland and two manufactured titles in Miami will not change that. Jordan destroys this guy in stats when they count so please stop bringing up numbers. When we compare pantheon of greats we look at their impact on winning and how they won. It is the only way to compare great from good or mediocre. You can't compare apples to oranges. It sounds like Lebron will always be number one in your heart even when you know he will never supersede MJ. Maybe you can start creating you tube videos and make some coin at the same time trying convince some people out there since you are persistent with your trolling.

I've repeatedly said Wilt is number 1 in my eyes, LBJ only has Wilt ahead of him ,but I doubt he will ever reach him.
That said the rest is just more of that jordan crying.

 

[Shutdown10]

I've repeatedly said Wilt is number 1 in my eyes, LBJ only has Wilt ahead of him ,but I doubt he will ever reach him.
That said the rest is just more of that jordan crying.

The bar has been set already . You want to rewrite the bar for LBJ to be matched with MJ. It looks like you are the stan because I'm not rewriting anything for MJ that has not been done already. Wisen up breh! If Lebron does not beat GSW down 3-1 last season, do you even see yourself in this thread trolling presently?

 

[David_TheMan]

The bar has been set already . You want to rewrite the bar for LBJ to be matched with MJ. It looks like you are the stan because I'm not rewriting anything for MJ that has not been done already. Wisen up breh! If Lebron does not beat GSW down 3-1 last season, do you even see yourself in this thread trolling presently?

If LeBron doesn't accomplish a never before done feat against one of the greatest teams of all time,_________
The fact that you wrote that like you thought you were making a logical point kills me.
LOL

LeBron doing what he did last year is one of the reasons I had to move him up in my personal rankings.to the #2 spot.

 

[Shutdown10]

If LeBron doesn't accomplish a never before done feat against one of the greatest teams of all time,_________
The fact that you wrote that like you thought you were making a logical point kills me.
LOL

LeBron doing what he did last year is one of the reasons I had to move him up in my personal rankings.to the #2 spot.

It's a never before done feat, but why put his team in a situation like that if he is the best player on floor with a team just as balanced when you look at the match-ups in the series? That fact that you put Wilt at number 1 is laughable. He is Lebron before Lebron if you can call it that. It all makes sense now.

 

[David_TheMan]

It's a never before done feat, but why put his team in a situation like if he is the best player on floor with a team just as balanced when you look at the match-ups in the series? That fact that you put Wilt at number 1 is laughable. He is Lebron before Lebron if you can call it that. It all makes sense now.

So now GS isn't a great team, and LeBron allowed his team to lose, instead of willing his team to win.
And you say you aren't biased. LOL.

Wilt the most dominant player in the history of the NBA, the greatest two way player of all time, probably the most dominant athlete in NBA history, owner of over half the NBA record book 70+ NBA official records, its a joke that this player is regarded as the greatest player of all time?

Yeah full on Jordan dikk riding mode now.

 

[Shutdown10]

So now GS isn't a great team, and LeBron allowed his team to lose, instead of willing his team to win.
And you say you aren't biased. LOL.

Wilt the most dominant player in the history of the NBA, the greatest two way player of all time, probably the most dominant athlete in NBA history, owner of over half the NBA record book 70+ NBA official records, its a joke that this player is regarded as the greatest player of all time?

Yeah full on Jordan dikk riding mode now.

I'm not downplaying what he did, but why put yourself in that situation if you are the self entitled best player? Things needed to happen to make that comeback necessary, but I'm not a guy who makes excuses for the loser so Lebron and Cleveland deserve the credit. The way I look at it both those two teams are 1-1 and the team that wins this year will deserve all the bragging rights and vindication. Wilt did that and still was dominated by Bill Russell when it mattered. He got all those stats, but did not dominate his peers when it came to winning. Lebron did not dominate his peers on a winning level because the only guy he is up on is Durant. All the other guys are either tied against him(Steph) or up on him(Duncan, Norwitzki). Jordan dominated his peers on a winning scale when it was time for him to make his impact. Greatness at the all time level does not just come with stats young fella! You have to show it on a winning level as well. The bar has been set. I did not make this up either because its in the history books.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm not downplaying what he did, but why put yourself in that situation if you are the self entitled best player? Things needed to happen to make that comeback necessary, but I'm not a guy who makes excuses for the loser so Lebron and Cleveland deserve the credit. The way I look at it both those two teams are 1-1 and the team that wins this year will deserve all the bragging rights and vindication. Wilt did that and still was dominated by Bill Russell when it mattered. He got all those stats, but did not dominate his peers when it came to winning. Lebron did not dominate his peers on a winning level because the only guy he is up on is Durant. All the other guys are either tied against him(Steph) or up on him(Duncan, Norwitzki). Jordan dominated his peers on a winning scale when it was time for him to make his impact. Greatness at the all time level does not just come with stats young fella! You have to show it on a winning level as well. The bar has been set. I did not make this up either because its in the history books.

You talk like its his choice that they went down and that the Golden State Warriors weren't a team equally intent on winning. Its nothing but a dumb ass shot against LBJ and again shows your bias.
Wilt's teams got beat by better teams, and he had the misfortune of going against the Boston Celtic dynasty. In those games you will find that Wilt did his job, he scored and did whatever was needed of him and it wasn't good enough to beat the Celtic dynasty led by RUssell that won 11 titles. You look at the stats he outplayed Bill and Bill says Wilt always outplayed him. So what are you talking about Wilt being dominated by Russell, Bill doesn't even believe that. Wilt's teams made the playoffs and he in fact did dominate his peers, just couldn't beat the greatest run in NBA history.

LeBron dominated Kobe, Melo, CP3, Durant/Russ, H2H. He then took out Curry the only unanimous MVP, leader of the 73-9 "greatest team of all time", and brought his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals. So you aren't speaking about reality. Dirk has what record against LeBron? TD is a ATG, his Spurs definitely a strong run against LeBron, LeBron lost some and won so, no big deal.

Jordan won during his run against some good teams, no ATG teams, no other superstars on the same level and with league protection to ensure he was marketed properly as the face of the league. Not sure being the league's darling and having the rules changed to help you and the refs in your pocket on instruction from the league (Reggie Miller punch), qualifies one for greatness, but hey thats me.

 

[Shutdown10]

You talk like its his choice that they went down and that the Golden State Warriors weren't a team equally intent on winning. Its nothing but a dumb ass shot against LBJ and again shows your bias.
Wilt's teams got beat by better teams, and he had the misfortune of going against the Boston Celtic dynasty. In those games you will find that Wilt did his job, he scored and did whatever was needed of him and it wasn't good enough to beat the Celtic dynasty led by RUssell that won 11 titles. You look at the stats he outplayed Bill and Bill says Wilt always outplayed him. So what are you talking about Wilt being dominated by Russell, Bill doesn't even believe that. Wilt's teams made the playoffs and he in fact did dominate his peers, just couldn't beat the greatest run in NBA history.

LeBron dominated Kobe, Melo, CP3, Durant/Russ, H2H. He then took out Curry the only unanimous MVP, leader of the 73-9 "greatest team of all time", and brought his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals. So you aren't speaking about reality. Dirk has what record against LeBron? TD is a ATG, his Spurs definitely a strong run against LeBron, LeBron lost some and won so, no big deal.

Jordan won during his run against some good teams, no ATG teams, no other superstars on the same level and with league protection to ensure he was marketed properly as the face of the league. Not sure being the league's darling and having the rules changed to help you and the refs in your pocket on instruction from the league (Reggie Miller punch), qualifies one for greatness, but hey thats me.

All this nonsense and I'm the bias one! You really showing your colors as I expose you layer for layer. Stop looking at stats only when we define greatness. Winning, stats, and impact on the game have to come into play when we define greatness. Lebron pales in comparison to MJ when we you look at those three categories. The Bulls would have thrashed those teams Lebron faced that you called ATG. I cannot take your B-ball knowledge serious because you are bringing emotion and have an agenda for the player you have adoration for. You seriously trying to downplay the great teams Jordan faced? Kobe would have beat Lebron in a final setting and you know it because of his competitive drive. You are slow because I clearly wrote head to head finals match-up against peers. Take emotion out of this and start using your head so you can think with clear logic here. The bar has been set! Will your player match it? I highly doubt it.

 

[David_TheMan]

All this nonsense and I'm the bias one! You really showing your colors as I expose you layer for layer. Stop looking at stats only when we define greatness. Winning, stats, and impact on the game have to come into play when we define greatness. Lebron pales in comparison to MJ when we you look at those three categories. The Bulls would have thrashed those teams Lebron faced that you called ATG. I cannot take your B-ball knowledge serious because you are bringing emotion and have an agenda for the player you have adoration for. You seriously trying to downplay the great teams Jordan faced? Kobe would have beat Lebron in a final setting and you know it because of his competitive drive. You are slow because I clearly wrote head to head finals match-up against peers. Take emotion out of this and start using your head so you can think with clear logic here. The bar has been set! Will your player match it? I highly doubt it.

No one said stats weren't invovled in defining greatness.
We can also state that championships are a team achievement and do not define individual greatness but team greatness. You seem to be the only one having problems with this very clear principle. I don't know why.
The Bulls didn't play the teams LeBron has played and LeBron's teams haven't played the teams the Bulls played, whhile its fun to think of hypotheticals, we don't judge a player on what could have been, what could have been done, but on what they actually did.
I haven't used emotion or my feelings as the sole basis for any argument I've presented. What I have done is pick apart the non-sense you are posting, show or its illogical and hypocritical and how it is inherently biased and this seems to have you acting and posting in your feelings, to the point now you've abandoned all pretenses of trying to be objective and are talking about hypotheticals as if they are real.

I havent down played any of the great teams Jordan faced, the fact of the matter is his Bulls didn't have a rival great team in the era that they faced, he dominated in a relatively weak era, caused by the expansion of the league which diluted the overall talent in the league. Thats a fact and that has to be taken into consideration when talking about MJ.

Also have to acknowledge that STern openly admitted to changing the ruleset to benefit MJ and eliminate what the Pistons were doing to him, why? So the league could build stars in his mold and so they could have success. This is a fact, not emotion.

Kobe and Shaq had legit great teams they faced, Sacremento Kings, detroit pistons, Big 3 Celtics, Spurs.

We don't know what Kobe would have done, because they never met, but if you say that, I can easily say had Jordan not retired we know he would have two finals losses on his record from the Houston Rockets. See how easy it is to talk out of your ass about what could have been.

I saw head to head matchups, but to claim Dirk has the better of LeBron when teh Heat went on a major finals run and the Mavs broke down after a year is absurd, but again, it shows the lack of substance in your argument.

Yes Wilt set the bar, no one has matched it, the closet is LeBron.
I keep agreeing with that sentiment.

 

[Shutdown10]

No one said stats weren't invovled in defining greatness.
We can also state that championships are a team achievement and do not define individual greatness but team greatness. You seem to be the only one having problems with this very clear principle. I don't know why.
The Bulls didn't play the teams LeBron has played and LeBron's teams haven't played the teams the Bulls played, whhile its fun to think of hypotheticals, we don't judge a player on what could have been, what could have been done, but on what they actually did.
I haven't used emotion or my feelings as the sole basis for any argument I've presented. What I have done is pick apart the non-sense you are posting, show or its illogical and hypocritical and how it is inherently biased and this seems to have you acting and posting in your feelings, to the point now you've abandoned all pretenses of trying to be objective and are talking about hypotheticals as if they are real.

I havent down played any of the great teams Jordan faced, the fact of the matter is his Bulls didn't have a rival great team in the era that they faced, he dominated in a relatively weak era, caused by the expansion of the league which diluted the overall talent in the league. Thats a fact and that has to be taken into consideration when talking about MJ.

Also have to acknowledge that STern openly admitted to changing the ruleset to benefit MJ and eliminate what the Pistons were doing to him, why? So the league could build stars in his mold and so they could have success. This is a fact, not emotion.

Kobe and Shaq had legit great teams they faced, Sacremento Kings, detroit pistons, Big 3 Celtics, Spurs.

We don't know what Kobe would have done, because they never met, but if you say that, I can easily say had Jordan not retired we know he would have two finals losses on his record from the Houston Rockets. See how easy it is to talk out of your ass about what could have been.

I saw head to head matchups, but to claim Dirk has the better of LeBron when teh Heat went on a major finals run and the Mavs broke down after a year is absurd, but again, it shows the lack of substance in your argument.

Yes Wilt set the bar, no one has matched it, the closet is LeBron.
I keep agreeing with that sentiment.

What circumstance did Lebron have to put himself into to finally have you spouting off like a Lil girl?. He left Cleveland to form the Heatles and cripple the competition in Leastern conference. This guy could not even beat a Dwight Howard led team in the East and swear you this guy deserves to be mentioned with MJ. This guy had to manufacture and scheme to even have an opportunity to start winning. When we look at those factors his career just seems sketchy to me. I give him credit for his title against GSW, but that means that he only has one legit title in my eyes when those factors are put into place. I honestly think your a secret agent for this dude Lebron. Lebron better be paying you some serious coin to be riding his D so hard and try to convince people out there that he has either matched or supersede MJ. If you not getting payed then there is not point to continue because you seem foolish.

 

[OGmittee]

D-Wade with what I call the "dyckriding mentality".

To say no matter what anyone else accomplishes they cant surpass another is a very emotional opinion to have, an opinion that only a dyckrider would have.

 

[Cadillac]

The Cavs had several offensive slumps during that series that they would have never recovered from had Kyrie not stepped up and took over the offense, Paxson and Kerr never had to take over they just hit shots when they were open.

I saw glimpses of Bron ready to quit last year before Draymond got suspended as well. Golden State was taking his lunch before that suspension happened and then Iggy and Bogut got hurt and now u have "henny bron" acting like he really beat the REAL warriors...and by himself too

Kyrie was the real finals MVP last year no matter what those stats say, he kept them alive when Bron was being shut down

Facts that Bron stans refuse to accept