Was Dru hill below average (update episode added)

[Doctor Wily]

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This is debatable. All three of those groups have classic songs. They could all still do tours. I will say 112 possibly edges out both groups based on Daron's writing and production credits which include Biggie's "Loving You Tonight" and Keyshia Cole's "I Should've Cheated". He co-wrote Gina Thompson's "The Things You Do" and the Isley Brothers' "Loating On Love" remix.

Thread isn't even about that, it's about their legacy and the fact that beyond 1999, they didn't have any real relevance aside from Sisqo being a punchline, it hurts their legacy. We are talking about 3-4 years tops (extended by Sisqo's solo album). Their contemporaries and other 90's staples fared better.

actually, when dru hill came back in 02-03 with the 5th member, both of those singles were hits, especially "I love you" which was arguably one of their better songs.
sisqo's debut was 2000, so how was he just a punchline post-99 as if his monstrous run in 2000 didn't exist??
youre doing an awful lot of downplaying in this thread. to say that dru hill didn't have any relevance beyond '99 is downright ludicrous.

I never said the other groups don't tour. I clearly said that they just don't draw like dru hill.

and this really aint debateable. just because those groups stuck together thru their respective downsides, it doesn't mean that they had a bigger run than dru hill.

now if you want to debate as to who you think is better, we can do that. but to say any of those late '90s male groups had a bigger run is crazy.

 

[JustCKing]

actually, when dru hill came back in 02-03 with the 5th member, both of those singles were hits, especially "I love you" which was arguably one of their better songs.
sisqo's debut was 2000, so how was he just a punchline post-99 as if his monstrous run in 2000 didn't exist??
youre doing an awful lot of downplaying in this thread. to say that dru hill didn't have any relevance beyond '99 is downright ludicrous.

I never said the other groups don't tour. theyre not moving like dru hill tho.

its really not debateable tho. just because those groups stuck together thru their respective downsides, it doesn't mean that they had a bigger run than dru hill.

now if you want to debate as to who you think is better, we can do that. but to say any of those late '90s male groups had a bigger run is crazy.

When Dru Hill came back in 2002, "I Love You" wasn't a hit. "I Should Be" was a moderate hit and they didn't release another album for 7-8 years. Sisqo's debut dropped the tail end of 1999. Yeah, he had a monstrous 2000 run off of material that was released in 1999. To say they weren't relevant beyond 1999 isn't ludicrous. After Sisqo went solo, it was pretty much a wrap even AFTER they came back for two more albums. I'm not downplaying them at all. Everything I'm saying is fact.

These groups are currently touring with another artist. None of them are headlining acts of said tour. They are sharing a bill.

Dru Hill had a monster run in a short period of time from 1996-2000. 112 still had hits up until 2005. They had bigger albums. Jagged Edge was huge in the '00's.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

When Dru Hill came back in 2002, "I Love You" wasn't a hit. "I Should Be" was a moderate hit and they didn't release another album for 7-8 years. Sisqo's debut dropped the tail end of 1999. Yeah, he had a monstrous 2000 run off of material that was released in 1999. To say they weren't relevant beyond 1999 isn't ludicrous. After Sisqo went solo, it was pretty much a wrap even AFTER they came back for two more albums. I'm not downplaying them at all. Everything I'm saying is fact.

These groups are currently touring with another artist. None of them are headlining acts of said tour. They are sharing a bill.

Dru Hill had a monster run in a short period of time from 1996-2000. 112 still had hits up until 2005. They had bigger albums. Jagged Edge was huge in the '00's.

having a monster run and breaking up a few years before the other groups >>>>> having a good run and continuing on til the well runs dry
also, 112 in 2005 was no bigger than dru hill in 2003. but yet youre acting like dru hill didn't exist past '99.
and did you just say that 112 had bigger albums that dru hill?? WTF??

I don't know how "I love you" did on the charts. I just know it was one of the more popular slow jams that year, which is what matters most.
"I should be" might've done better on the charts, but "I love you" got a bigger reception culturally. that song is a classic.

all of the '90s-'00s r&b groups share a bill. whats your point??

They should have regrouped after Sisqo first album success... instead he tried to strike while the iron was hot and dropped a dud second go round. Became a walking punchline.
Prolly fukked up any continued group success.

he didn't really affect the group at all tho.

and low-key, I think it was for the best that he got that flopped album out the way.

i'd imagine that a dude like sisqo would have a big head, going back to doing a group album while he was still a huge solo artist.

 

[JustCKing]

having a monster run and breaking up a few years before the other groups >>>>> having a good run and continuing on til the well runs dry
also, 112 in 2005 was no bigger than dru hill in 2003. but yet youre acting like dru hill didn't exist past '99.
and did you just say that 112 had bigger albums that dru hill?? WTF??

I don't know how "I love you" did on the charts. I just know it was one of the more popular slow jams that year, which is what matters most.
"I should be" might've done better on the charts, but "I love you" got a bigger reception culturally. that song is a classic.

all of the '90s-'00s r&b groups share a bill. whats your point??





he didn't really affect the group at all tho.

and low-key, I think it was for the best that he got that flopped album out the way.

i'd imagine that a dude like sisqo would have a big head, going back to doing a group album while he was still a huge solo artist.

Having a monster run and breaking up a few years before the other groups being better than having a good run and continuing "til the well runs dry" is your opinion. It doesn't make sense any way because Dru Hill didn't break up. They dropped solos and only Sisqo had success. When they came back together, their proverbial "well" had run dry. 112 had two consecutive double platinum albums, a third album that flopped, and a fourth album that went gold. Dru Hill had a platinum debut, a sophomore album that went double platinum, a third album that went gold, and a fourth album that was independent. Only way Dru Hill had bigger albums is if you count Sisqo's solo debut.

"I Love You" wasn't one of the more popular slow jams that year and it definitely wasn't culturally bigger than a lot of songs that year.

All of the '90's-'00's groups do not share bills. The point is if Dru Hill not being headliners is pretty much the cusp of this thread. Everybody remembers their run in the 90's. After that, it's a blur.

 

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[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Having a monster run and breaking up a few years before the other groups being better than having a good run and continuing "til the well runs dry" is your opinion.

its fact.

JE & 112 sticking around and having minor accomplishments years later, was some nice stat-padding but nobody is going back to those years when they cite their legacies, and that certainly isn't putting them on par with dru hill.

and again, im team jagged edge. my horse in this race isn't dru hill. im just being objective.

It doesn't make sense any way because Dru Hill didn't break up. They dropped solos and only Sisqo had success. When they came back together, their proverbial "well" had run dry. 112 had two consecutive double platinum albums, a third album that flopped, and a fourth album that went gold. Dru Hill had a platinum debut, a sophomore album that went double platinum, a third album that went gold, and a fourth album that was independent. Only way Dru Hill had bigger albums is if you count Sisqo's solo debut.

"I Love You" wasn't one of the more popular slow jams that year and it definitely wasn't culturally bigger than a lot of songs that year.

All of the '90's-'00's groups do not share bills. The point is if Dru Hill not being headliners is pretty much the cusp of this thread. Everybody remembers their run in the 90's. After that, it's a blur.

youre too focused on sales. get caught up with whats going on outside.
112 may have sold on par, thanks to the bad boy stimulus. but like I said, 112 coming out on their own equals LeDae.

as for the well running dry,
dru hill's last single in '03 still gets spins. the album sucked but they had enough clout to bounce back with another LP.
can we even name the last video that JE & 112 made?? that's an example of letting the well run dry.

give me 10 slow jams from '03 that outlasted "I love you". don't give me no pop-dooby-wop chit neither.
and while youre at it, show me the '90s-00s groups that do not share bills. destinys child is not walking thru that door, and new edition is an '80s group.

and naw, that's not the cusp of this thread. you need to go back and read the OP post, if you don't understand why people were outraged.

 

[JustCKing]

its fact.

JE & 112 sticking around and having minor accomplishments years later, was some nice stat-padding but nobody is going back to those years when they cite their legacies, and that certainly isn't putting them on par with dru hill.

and again, im team jagged edge. my horse in this race isn't dru hill. im just being objective.




youre too focused on sales. get caught up with whats going on outside.
112 may have sold on par, thanks to the bad boy stimulus. but like I said, 112 coming out on their own equals LeDae.

as for the well running dry,
dru hill's last single in '03 still gets spins. the album sucked but they had enough clout to bounce back with another LP.
can we even name the last video that JE & 112 made?? that's an example of letting the well run dry.

give me 10 slow jams from '03 that outlasted "I love you". don't give me no pop-dooby-wop chit neither.
and while youre at it, show me the '90s-00s groups that do not share bills. destinys child is not walking thru that door, and new edition is an '80s group.

and naw, that's not the cusp of this thread. you need to go back and read the OP post, if you don't understand why people were outraged.

112 and Jagged Edge weren't just sticking around and stat padding. 112 still had songs that were hits well beyond the 90's. The entirety of Jagged Edge's run is the '00's. In regard to Jagged Edge, "Promise", "He Can't Love You", "Let's Get Married" (and the remix) and "Walked Outta Heaven" are all classics. 112's "U Already Know" is still played and that was 2005 and that's on top of their 90's classics.

I'm not too caught up on sales. I'm giving you an objective point of view. 112 didn't succeed off a Bad Boy stimulus. They were Bad Boy's biggest R&B act and among Bad Boy's most successful artists period only rivaled by Biggie and Mase (who debuted on their single).

Running dry is what happened to Dru Hill not the other way around. And can we even name the last video that Dru Hill even made?

Breh, Silk, for starters is not on this bill. Neither is Shai. I don't think Jodeci is on it either.

10 Slow Jame bigger than Dru Hill's " I Love You":

1. Jaheim- Put That Woman First
2. Ginuwine- In Those Jean's
3. Joe- More & More
4. Jagged Edge- Walked Outta Heaven
5. Alicia Keys- You Don't Know My Name
6. Floetry- Say Yes
7. Tyrese- Signs of Making Love
8. Avant- Read Your Mind
9. Tyrese- How You Gonna Act Like That
10. Isley Brrothers- What Would You Fo

 

[OHSNAP!]

As long as you enjoy what they put out, does it really matter that their popularity dwindled bigtime after 2000? Chill

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh, Silk, for starters is not on this bill. Neither is Shai. I don't think Jodeci is on it either.

ehh

im not sure what youre talking about here.

112 and Jagged Edge weren't just sticking around and stat padding. 112 still had songs that were hits well beyond the 90's. The entirety of Jagged Edge's run is the '00's. In regard to Jagged Edge, "Promise", "He Can't Love You", "Let's Get Married" (and the remix) and "Walked Outta Heaven" are all classics. 112's "U Already Know" is still played and that was 2005 and that's on top of their 90's classics.

I'm not too caught up on sales. I'm giving you an objective point of view. 112 didn't succeed off a Bad Boy stimulus. They were Bad Boy's biggest R&B act and among Bad Boy's most successful artists period only rivaled by Biggie and Mase (who debuted on their single).

Running dry is what happened to Dru Hill not the other way around. And can we even name the last video that Dru Hill even made?

10 Slow Jame bigger than Dru Hill's " I Love You":
1. Jaheim- Put That Woman First
2. Ginuwine- In Those Jean's
3. Joe- More & More
4. Jagged Edge- Walked Outta Heaven
5. Alicia Keys- You Don't Know My Name
6. Floetry- Say Yes
7. Tyrese- Signs of Making Love
8. Avant- Read Your Mind
9. Tyrese- How You Gonna Act Like That
10. Isley Brrothers- What Would You Fo

all im saying is, they didn't do enough to surpass dru hill's legacy.
I don't need the breakdown on them, especially jagged edge, who I ride with over dru hill.

people mentioning jodeci all thru this thread. theres groups from their era who lasted longer. but I don't think anybody is gonna say that silk, mint condition, etc surpassed their run in terms of cultural impact/popularity. and I think jodeci is a bit overrated but again, that's besides the point.

"I love you" was the last video they made on a major. its still getting spins.

half of that list, I havnt heard in ages.

 

[JustCKing]

ehh

im not sure what youre talking about here.





all im saying is, they didn't do enough to surpass dru hill's legacy.
I don't need the breakdown on them, especially jagged edge, who I ride with over dru hill.

people mentioning jodeci all thru this thread. theres groups from their era who lasted longer. but I don't think anybody is gonna say that silk, mint condition, etc surpassed their run in terms of cultural impact/popularity. and I think jodeci is a bit overrated but again, that's besides the point.

"I love you" was the last video they made on a major. its still getting spins.

half of that list, I havnt heard in ages.

112 and Jagged Edge not doing enough to surpass Dru Hill is all opinion.

Nobody is going to say Mint Condition or Silk surpassed Jodeci because neither group surpassed Jodeci. Jodeci had THREE huge albums in the 90's. Classic on top of classic with people still saying "wooh yeah" decades later. That's not mentioning what came from Jodeci. Jodeci's impact and influence far exceeds Mont Condition and Silk to the point where groups like 112 and Jagged Edge are testament to Jodeci's impact and influence and that doesn't even scratch the surface.

 

[The_Sheff]

Put it to you like this...who wants to play Dru Hill in 2020? Lol. I play AZ, Jodeci, AZ Yet, Silk, Sam Cooke, Luther Vandross..even Kelly Clarkson got a ton of catchy ass hits from those first two albums. But Dru Hill? They like Ja Rule...keep their ass in the trash can.

Trash posting.

 

[R=G]

Trash posting.

Gay group

 

[Jone2three45]

Dru Hill kept us fed since K-Ci and Jojo went solo in the late 90’s. Their first three albums are great, if not classic.

 

[NinoBrown]

Late 90s early 2000s is where they hit their stride, but a poor man's Jodeci. "Tell Me" off the Rush Hour Soundtrack put them on the map commercially....

Nokio can't see Devante and Sisqo can't see K-Ci...please stop the madness...