Was "Hardhome" the best episode of Game of Thrones? "Night's Watch, with me!"

[Theodoresolderbreh]

lady stoneheart. She has jaime (after he left cersei for good) and his big bytch captured and she is gonna make her kill him at least that where they left off. She wants anybody involved with the red wedding dead. even tho jaime had nothing to do with it.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Arya been about that work

 

[Shadow King]

Because that wasnt her story. you brought up the book several times in this post the show and book made it clear what her goal was before they ran outta shyt to use. She never was suppose to even be in the same area as jon..for one he is dead, let alone fighting a war side to side with her family considering thousands of pages of story written for them both. She believed her family was dead. Her entire family and the lannisters how everything to do with it.. Her and her resurrected mother they removed from the story was going head first into kings landing for revenge...Her even being there hugging jon and shyt sounds like some shyt somebody on reddit wrote in a basement. this video sums up how the writer of the book felt about the ending

Breh YOU brought up the books, and as the writer of the books said, the show is the show and the books are the books. And the show called for characters to step outside of their personal motivation to stop a world-ending threat. You're saying it's not her story because you didn't see it coming or you want the show to follow the books tit for tat. 99.8% of visual entertainment sourced from literature does NOT do this.

What you really have a problem with is Jon not "winning" and the Night King kill is just the visual manifestation of that for you. Like I said earlier, I didn't like that Jon didn't "win" either, but I also don't think he was supposed to knowingly fulfill his prophecy and "win", if anything Jon's discovery of his true heritage is one of the bigger mistakes of the show's ending.

 

[itsyoung!!]

Catelyn comes back?

as a ghost or witch i believe

as far as the series go, i have never in my 34 years of life been so upset with a tv show than watching season 8

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

I could never get into GoT. Only seen like 3 eos of season 1 and was over it.

 

[FLORIDA BOI]

Yes

They ruined the end damn

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

Breh YOU brought up the books, and as the writer of the books said, the show is the show and the books are the books. And the show called for characters to step outside of their personal motivation to stop a world-ending threat. You're saying it's not her story because you didn't see it coming or you want the show to follow the books tit for tat. 99.8% of visual entertainment sourced from literature does NOT do this.

What you really have a problem with is Jon not "winning" and the Night King kill is just the visual manifestation of that for you. Like I said earlier, I didn't like that Jon didn't "win" either, but I also don't think he was supposed to knowingly fulfill his prophecy and "win", if anything Jon's discovery of his true heritage is one of the bigger mistakes of the show's ending.

jon winning or losing wasnt the reason why i thought arya killing them sucked. i dont consider her "winning" The book and show had her story being about revenge for the starks. jon story was about him vs the others who weren't mustache curling villains they had to a reason for doing what they were doing....that was dropped. the red wedding was suppose to lead to lady stone heart...that was dropped, so that means Jaime storyline was dropped, which meant everything connected to that fell flat and people ended up in places they weren't supposed to be. Little finger, arya, sansa, jon, the others, his dragon auntie etc etc etc. prophecies were thrown out the window and etc too because they didnt like the magical aspect in the story...Jon was either supposed to die at their hands or be involved in the downfall or draw then wrap up his story with his mother aka the secret ned was keeping.. aka known as another thing they just threw in the trash can.... but it was jon's story. Its not about a win about telling the damn story you set up and stop trying to surprise retards who were watching this show at a fukking bar....imagine if the red viper showed up does his whole thing about the mountain and podrick ends up killing him before he even speaks tyrion's father. That's literally the same thing

 

[Sonny Bonds]

The Night King kill didn't bother me.

Dany's unjustified turn to villain was awful. It could have worked had they laid the foundation for it.

Jamie running back to Cersei was poor writing

The way the new king was chosen at the end. Terrible.

The ending just being rushed in general

 

[Shadow King]

jon winning or losing wasnt the reason why i thought arya killing them sucked. i dont consider her "winning" The book and show had her story being about revenge for the starks. jon story was about him vs the others who weren't mustache curling villains they had to a reason for doing what they were doing....that was dropped. the red wedding was suppose to lead to lady stone heart...that was dropped, so that means Jaime storyline was dropped, which meant everything connected to that fell flat and people ended up in places they weren't supposed to be. Little finger, arya, sansa, jon, the others, his dragon auntie etc etc etc. prophecies were thrown out the window and etc too because they didnt like the magical aspect in the story...Jon was either supposed to die at their hands or be involved in the downfall or draw but it was jon's story. Its not about a win about telling the damn story you set up and stop trying to surprise retards who were watching this show at a fukking bar....imagine if the red viper showed up does his whole thing about the mountain and podrick ends up killing him before he even speaks tyrion's father. That's literally the same thing

Like I said, no visual story is 100% identical to literary sources. The books had not caught up to the show. You're arguing in favor of source material that didn't exist while simultaneously arguing for an entertainment phenomenon that literally does not happen.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Shadow King]

The Night King kill didn't bother me.

Dany's unjustified turn to villain was awful. It could have worked had they laid the foundation for it.

Jamie running back to Cersei was poor writing

The way the new king was chosen at the end. Terrible.

The ending just being rushed in general

THESE are issues I can see, mainly from cutting the season in half when if anything they could've extensed it from 10 to 12. And the election of Bran made sense but was too perfect/happy so to speak.

Jon and Dany should've ended up on the throne unknowingly restarting a cycle they (mainly Dany) fought so hard to break.

 

[MostReal]

I somehow knew Jon Snow was a waste of a character so I never bought into the hype.

Scumbag Littlefinger was the best player in the show

 

[karim]

Was it arrogance on Ned's part?

I always thought he just didn't know how to play the game. Renly tried to tell him that they needed to kidnap Joffrey and tried to give him the men to do it.

Ned really thought that everybody was gonna stay true to their word cause he never really understood that he was in a snake pit.

And there was no reason for him to ever think about that as long as Robert, his best friend, was alive. He was under the kings protection no matter what he did (his daughter beating up Joffrey, his wife kidnapping Tyrion). He could really get away with murder as long as Robert was alive.

Robert was the only friend he had in Kings Landing and once he got took out by that pig (a literal pig for non watchers who think I'm being facetious), it was over for Ned.

He should have skipped town like Renly did.

Renly had no reason to run, at least the show didn't spell it out. But he surmised (correctly) that the minute his brother died, he was on borrowed time in Kings Landing and so he got out of dodge.

Yeah, it was arrogance. Ned thought he was above the rules and didn't need to play by them

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

Like I said, no visual story is 100% identical to literary sources. The books had not caught up to the show. You're arguing in favor of source material that didn't exist while simultaneously arguing for an entertainment phenomenon that literally does not happen.

Agree to disagree.

they changed shyt to rush to the end. that's what happened. that's why we got the fan service family gathering meet up and castle fight with neo arya killing a person she didnt know existed until that day. it was poor written at every step of season 8. Just tell the damn story. Im not against changing shyt. some of the things they changed were aight. but when they wanted to end the story everything they set up got muddled or just flatly removed. i can literally pick a random character from season 8 and explain how they got fukked over by things they set up and didnt finish or rushed to finish.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Yeah, it was arrogance. Ned thought he was above the rules and didn't need to play by them

I don't think he even knew the rules.

 

[Mr Clean]

This nikka Rob Stark is an idiot.

You can see the exact moment that leads to his downfall.

My nikka couldn't resist that p*ssy for NOTHIN

In the book he was trying to do right by the lady and the baby and not make another b*stard like Jon Snow. Grown man shyt

High key it was his dads fault for telling him the truth

The show decided to make him sprung off that caramel skin