Was Pau Gasol even a top 15 player in 2009 and 2010?

[Baka's Weird Case]

kobe been out of the league for three years now....just let it go

 

[Lifer11]

The major difference is in 2010 only 2 of those players were on the same team-Pierce and KG, and that's the team the Lakers played 2 out of 3 finals against. Now every contender has 2 top 20-30 players and with the Warriors it was more than that.

 

[jerniebert]

HE DIDNT MAKE ALL-NBA TEAMS PRE-KOBE


THAT WAS THE POINT

Oh I know the point of the thread. It's to prop up Kobe. It has nothing to do with trying to figure out if he was top 15. He was putting up similar numbers in Memphis. He made 2nd team all NBA on the Bulls in his 15th season. Who gets credit for that?

 

[ISO]

THIS @ISO CHARACTER IS REALLY IN HERE PROPPIN PAU UP FOR HIS DEFENSE

NEVER THOUGHT I’D SEE THE DAY

You fakkit I told no lies

Bosh, Amar'e, Randolph, Lee, Boozer all them nikkas was sieves and one way bigs in that era. Gasol was a rim protector and was in the middle for great defenses before playing for the Lakers.

 

[ISO]

Is spacing not a concept you are familiar with in basketball?

Pau and Bynum were both 7 foot bigs who preferred to play with their backs to the basket. Their skill sets on offense were redundant. And they both hurt Kobe when it came to driving the ball to the basket since they both stayed in the paint and so did their defenders. Its the main reason Kobe took so many mid-range shots.

Bosh played more of a mid-range/pick n pop face up game. He would have worked better with Bynum since their skills didn't overlap. Also his superior skills as a shooter would have spaced the floor better for Kobe when it came to driving lanes. Plus his superior defense helps the team trememdously since defense is 50% of the game.

Anyone who knows basketball can see Bosh would've fit better with those Lakers teams than Pau.

Bosh was a one way big back then. I already posted the article of Bosh looking to shed that perception when he went to Miami. His low post defense and rim protection was never on par with Gasol. He also couldn't initiate the offense out of the post because he's nowhere near Gasol as a passer. In the triangle you need that post up threat and Bosh was never a banger or a low post guy rather a face up and midrange guy who liked to operate in the elbow and drive baseline.

I'm conviced you nikkas weren't watching basketball then if you're propping up BOSH FOR DEFENSE in his Toronto years talking bout its 50% of the game. Fakkits really discounting Gasol's 7'5 wingspan, his rim protection, flopping/charge drawing, and his defense against KG AND DWIGHT HOWARD in the Finals to prop up a guy who was considered a one way big at the time. Bosh's defensive expertise was P&R defense even in his defensive prime he wasn't holding nikkas like KG, Roy Hibbert, Tim Duncan 1-on-1.

Just keep it a buck none of y'all saw Bosh play like that in Toronto. He was in my division. You Lakers fans did not see this man play like that the Raptors were almost never on national TV just cut the shyt.

 

[Sccit]

You fakkit I told no lies

Bosh, Amar'e, Randolph, Lee, Boozer all them nikkas was sieves and one way bigs in that era. Gasol was a rim protector and was in the middle for great defenses before playing for the Lakers.

GASOL WAS NEVER A RIM PROTECTOR U CLOWN




BYNUM WAS OUR RIM PROTECTOR

CHRIS BOSH WAS EASILY A BETTER DEFENDER THAN PAU

MAYBE TRY WATCHIN BASKETBALL ONCE N A WHILE.. ITS A COOL SPORT

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

You fakkit I told no lies

Bosh, Amar'e, Randolph, Lee, Boozer all them nikkas was sieves and one way bigs in that era. Gasol was a rim protector and was in the middle for great defenses before playing for the Lakers.

Pau was never in contention for the best PF. That was always Duncan/Amare/Bosh etc. Pau wasn’t even considered a top 10 player if I remember correctly either. He gets propped up as Shaq-lite to discredit Kobe’s post Shaq run. Plain and simple.

 

[ISO]

GASOL WAS NEVER A RIM PROTECTOR U CLOWN




BYNUM WAS OUR RIM PROTECTOR

CHRIS BOSH WAS EASILY A BETTER DEFENDER THAN PAU

MAYBE TRY WATCHIN BASKETBALL ONCE N A WHILE.. ITS A COOL SPORT

They were both your rim protectors you fukking clown

Bosh was a one way player in 2009 and 2010

You don't watch basketball

 

[ISO]

Pau was never in contention for the best PF. That was always Duncan/Amare/Bosh etc. Pau wasn’t even considered a top 10 player if I remember correctly either. He gets propped up as Shaq-lite to discredit Kobe’s post Shaq run. Plain and simple.

Pau was top 15. Pure bullshyt you nikkas weren't watching basketball back then it's clear as day who the fukk is etc.? More nikkas were in contention than Gasol now?

Duncan, Dirk, and KG were considered the best PF's. The rest of these nikkas were in the top 5 to top 10 and you ranked them based off your preference. Some thought Gasol was soft others saw him as the most skilled big man in the game there was no consensus.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Pau was top 15. Pure bullshyt you nikkas weren't watching basketball back then it's clear as day who the fukk is etc.? More nikkas were in contention than Gasol now?

Duncan and KG were considered the best PF's. The rest of these nikkas were in the top 5 to top 10 and you ranked them based off your preference. Some thought Gasol was soft others saw him as the most skilled big man in the game there was no consensus.

That’s the point. He wasn’t top 10. He wasn’t a top PF either. There was never no consensus which is the damn point you clown. His name barely was in the conversation and you talking to someone who lived in California and went to Lakers games in the late 2000s before returning back to NY(I’ve stated on this forum before) so it’s clear who was watching during that time and who wasn’t.


He only gets uplifted to shyt on Kobe. One can take a look at back at that time and Pau name was never mentioned in anything besides maybe some thinking he should have been 2010 Finals MVP in this conspricary against Kobe and David stern like one person ever had him as a MVP candidate. That’s where it started and ended with Pau: Kobe Bryant.

Thank you for proving my point

 

[No1]

Pau was top 15. Pure bullshyt you nikkas weren't watching basketball back then it's clear as day who the fukk is etc.? More nikkas were in contention than Gasol now?

Duncan and KG were considered the best PF's. The rest of these nikkas were in the top 5 to top 10 and you ranked them based off your preference. Some thought Gasol was soft others saw him as the most skilled big man in the game there was no consensus.

Nah Dirk was pretty clearly in that third spot if not 2. Otherwise, dudes are wilin. Be clear, when I said Bosh was a better defender, I meant he could switch more effectively than Gasol. Bosh wasn’t even that elite of a post defender in Miami. He benefitted from Dwight being the premiere big in the East tbh. He had nothing for old ass Duncan in the post.

Pau didn’t really show up as a defender to be until the 2009 NBA finals when he guarded Dwight better than Bynum did.

 

[ISO]

That’s the point. He wasn’t top 10. He wasn’t a top PF either. There was never no consensus which is the damn point you clown. His name barely was in the conversation and you talking to someone who lived in California and went to Lakers games in the late 2000s before returning back to NY(I’ve stated on this forum before) so it’s clear who was watching during that time and who wasn’t.


He only gets uplifted to shyt on Kobe. One can take a look at back at that time and Pau name was never mentioned in anything besides maybe some thinking he should have been 2010 Finals MVP in this conspricary against Kobe and David stern like one person ever had him as a MVP candidate. That’s where it started and ended with Pau: Kobe Bryant.

Thank you for proving my point

His name was in the conversation you fukking clown. ABC used to suck that nikkas dikk I remember the telecasts back then vividly and I remember heads calling him the best All-Around big man and shyt like that, and slobbing his passing ability. I hated this soft dirty looking cac Spaniard back then but over time I see his true value as I matured as a basketball fan. You not gonna tell me shyt. It's plenty of articles and footage from that time that can be posted don't do that.

He was an All-Star and All-NBA in this time period but apparently he wasn't in the conversation for shyt.

 

[ISO]

Nah Dirk was pretty clearly in that third spot if not 2. Otherwise, dudes are wilin. Be clear, when I said Bosh was a better defender, I meant he could switch more effectively than Gasol. Bosh wasn’t even that elite of a post defender in Miami. He benefitted from Dwight being the premiere big in the East tbh. He had nothing for old ass Duncan in the post.

Pau didn’t really show up as a defender to be until the 2009 NBA finals when he guarded Dwight better than Bynum did.

I forgot about Dirk. TD, Dirk, and KG were ahead of the rest outside of that there was no consensus. In my inner circle Amar'e was loved, Bosh was never discussed he played in Toronto, and Gasol was Gasol nikkas thought he was clumsy and soft but we knew he was unorthodoxly nice with skills and fundamentals.

Bosh wasn't doing any of that switching shyt in Toronto. He was considered a one way big and the league hadn't really become the P&R centric league to the level it would in coming years. Gasol had great defensive performances against both KG and Dwight Howard in Finals series and was always a better rim protector than Bosh, and was in the middle for quality defense pre-Lakers and had nice shot blocking seasons pre-Lakers. Gasol was a better defender than all these sieve offense centered PF's that had been mentioned in this thread.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

His name was in the conversation you fukking clown. ABC used to suck that nikkas dikk I remember the telecasts back then vividly and I remember heads calling him the best All-Around big man and shyt like that, and slobbing his passing ability. I hated this soft dirty looking cac Spaniard back then but over time I see his true value as I matured as a basketball fan. You not gonna tell me shyt. It's plenty of articles and footage from that time that can be posted don't do that.

He was an All-Star and All-NBA in this time period but apparently he wasn't in the conversation for shyt.

Then post the fukking articles clown. You been arguing for pages and ain’t post shyt In fact, you tried to get at me for posting PROOF of Bosh being called the best PF with stats to back up my point

iTs pLeNtY oF aRTiCleS

So why the fukk you ain’t post it then? He made one all star game prior to being a laker, one. This nikka name was never in the convo for best PF. “bUt pEopLe oN aBC”

 

[ISO]

Then post the fukking articles clown. You been arguing for pages and ain’t post shyt In fact, you tried to get at me for posting PROOF of Bosh being called the best PF with stats to back up my point

iTs pLeNtY oF aRTiCleS

So why the fukk you ain’t post it then? He made one all star game prior to being a laker, one. This nikka name was never in the convo for best PF. “bUt pEopLe oN aBC”

We're talking about 2009 and 2010 when he was an All-Star and All-NBA player

You posted ill formatted contextless stats he put up on a trash under .500 team that was 30th in defensive rating partly because of his own production on the defensive end of the floor

Looking at All-Star selections is faulty when he played for mid level Memphis teams in a Western Conference with Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki and others in his younger years

He got his due playing for the big market Lakers he was always an All-Star level impact player mothafukka

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