Was this '95 Source Awards really a pivotal moment in hiphop?

[Roland Coltrane]

A. I'm a brehette.

B. Lord save me from stupid people this fine Sunday.



I placed the blame where it belonged, on the treasonous AA's themselves. Before foreign blacks got here, we was ALL country. My mother's generation was the one where Northern AA's started trying to differentiate ourselves from Southerners, the 60's- 70's and shyt, coincidentally the same era we got a lot of foreign blacks. Same thing in my own life: we were all varying degrees of country in Harlem amongst ourselves, but when we went to hs in different neighborhoods, we encountered foreign blacks in large numbers socially and tried to switch it up. I think the shame is a result of encountering cosmopolitan, globe-trotting bp for the first time.

I'll await your apology.

wait so you would expect Black people up north to retain southern accents sans foreign blacks?
that doesn't make any sense to me. maybe pronunciation changed organically as I'm having a hard time seeing a southern drawl being retained in the North. People just talk differently and it varies by region, so a large part of your pronunciation depends the speech patterns you would learn through osmosis just by being around northern accents

 

[HarlemHottie]

wait so you would expect Black people up north to retain southern accents sans foreign blacks?
that doesn't make any sense to me. maybe pronunciation changed organically as I'm having a hard time seeing a southern drawl being retained in the North. People just talk differently and it varies by region, so a large part of your pronunciation depends the speech patterns you would learn through osmosis just by being around northern accents

Osmosis being around who? We were around each other, all 1st or 2nd gen from the South, mostly SC or NC in Harlem. The old ppl who watched us had been born and raised in the south, so for a lot of us, a southern accent was our 'mother tongue'. Same way latinos can be here several generations and still 'sound Spanish', even though they be around other people. Accents travel with people, they're not location-based, so if you have enough 'speakers', you can maintain an accent for generations.

I said "fixing to" for the first 8 yrs of my life.

 

[intruder]

Buckshot is lowkey wack and overrated to me, and most times I skip his verses

Exactly!

But the way some New Yorkers talk about dude almost make it seem like he's another Nas or Biggie level dude who just never got his due props. But I understand everybody has their stans
Hell, I was a Cabinus stan myself

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Osmosis being around who? We were around each other, all 1st or 2nd gen from the South, mostly SC or NC in Harlem. The old ppl who watched us had been born and raised in the south, so for a lot of us, a southern accent was our 'mother tongue'. Same way latinos can be here several generations and still 'sound Spanish', even though they be around other people. Accents travel with people, they're not location-based, so if you have enough 'speakers', you can maintain an accent for generations.

I said "fixing to" for the first 8 yrs of my life.

I'm not a linguist but I feel like there's more to the story and it should be explored further

the how and why people lose and pick up accents

I think Black people(ADOS in this case) in New York have distinct accents(by borough even) but I don't think foreigners are the reason why they don't sound like their southern forebears who came North in the Great Migration

also, Black people all over the country not in the south have their own regional accents. A Cali breh or a Philly breh is not gonna sound like somebody from GA or Arkansas for example. why do you think that is? do you think they haven't retained a southern accent for the same reasons you listed two posts ago? or is it that we as a people collectively will always come up with our own unique spin on things and different regions will do it differently? why do you think there are so many variants in African American Vernacular English(AAVE)?

you said earlier "My mother's generation was the one where Northern AA's started trying to differentiate ourselves from Southerners, the 60's- 70's and shyt, coincidentally the same era we got a lot of foreign blacks. Same thing in my own life: we were all varying degrees of country in Harlem amongst ourselves, but when we went to hs in different neighborhoods, we encountered foreign blacks in large numbers socially and tried to switch it up. I think the shame is a result of encountering cosmopolitan, globe-trotting bp for the first time."
in what what ways did you switch it up and how did it effect your speech patterns and pronunciation?

how did Black new yorkers go from AAVE that originated in the South to the typical Black new york modified AAVE accent?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

man fukk u bunch of nikkaz from detroit. fukk u dead ass


and dah shining was better than southernplayalisticadillacfunkymusic

No, it wasn't.

And there's a reason Outkast went onto become a GOAT group, while the nikkaz in Coco Brovaz are selling loosies outside of a bodega somewhere.

They were better

Buckshot is lowkey wack and overrated to me, and most times I skip his verses

Dude, "Who Got The Props">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all them other nikkaz existence

Ice T was popping before that

nikka, Ice-T admitted that he ripped off Schooly D's "P.S.K" to make "6 in the mornin"

Hip-Hop Gem: Ice-T’s “6 in the Mornin’” Was Inspired By Schoolly D’s “P.S.K. What Does It Mean?” – Stop The Breaks | Independent Music Grind

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Pivotal moment in hip-hop...this and of course Suge/Snoop.

Oukast was the first southern group I fukked with. Too dope to ignore.

 

[get these nets]

GREAT old interview(2014) of Andre 3000............on a public radio show co-hosted by Ali Shaheed Muhammad



I used to check for this podcast, but ASM was too boring to listen to. This episode is great, though.

 

[50CentStan]

. Like I always say black people from New York are like the white people of black people if that makes sense. I guess I'm just used to them being that way and just brushed it off. Didn't occur to me that there was a lot of resentment from the Southern counterparts that would spark the South's rap culture emergence.

Terrible analogy. A more accurate one would be NY hip hop heads are like black people in general having issues with white people (non nyers) stealing their culture

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Me and some friends were at a cabin this weekend and we ended up in the hot tubs playing various tunes from all hip-hop sub-genres and this topic came up. Anyway we had a good mix of mostly people from GA (6) among us but quite a few from the North-East (4)ssharing their opinions about the event. I actually had to google it to figure out what they were talking about.

I would have been in H.S. around that time and kinda recall seeing this award show but the OutKast part either didn't stand out to me or i didnt see it at all. Maybe because at the time, Snoop being booed was the bigger headline and I figured it was due to the so called East vs West beef. I hadn't yet deciphered all the regional corners rappers were from. In addition, New Yorkers at the time had always been super homers (only support their own rap artists) and were rather excessively snobbish when it comes to hip-hop. Like I always say black people from New York are like the white people of black people if that makes sense. I guess I'm just used to them being that way and just brushed it off. Didn't occur to me that there was a lot of resentment from the Southern counterparts that would spark the South's rap culture emergence.

Like you say?

The South is filled with black men who chase white women and put white women on a pedestal over black women.

So you do not get to say “New York is white people of black people”

We don’t willingly inpregnate our slave masters.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

they stay hating on the south

Troll post. I can show you 100 videos of southern nikkas getting love in NYC shows.

Shall we begin?

Up north is up front territory. If you are wack then you get bood. We aren’t like the south we don’t show love to nikkas just because they from the city.

And yea the nikka you just posted was corny as fukk.











You can take that lame ass one example video of yours and to bushes!

 

[FreedMind]

Troll post. I can show you 100 videos of southern nikkas getting love in NYC shows.

Shall we begin?

Up north is up front territory. If you are wack then you get bood. We aren’t like the south we don’t show love to nikkas just because they from the city.

And yea the nikka you just posted was corny as fukk.


You can take that lame ass one example video of yours and to bushes!

How noble of you to come defend the NYC-South relationship from my slandering.



you're also calling Krit corny? You can do better.


Do better.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

How noble of you to come defend the NYC-South relationship from my slandering.



you're also calling Krit corny? You can do better.


Do better.

The same Pimp C who had dissed Atlanta?



You just sound stupid. There’s a reason why every top artist in the south gets love in NYC while a cornball like Big Krit is irrelevant in the discussion of rappers who sit at the throne.

 

[FreedMind]

@HaitianPattyFromNYC

 

[UberEatsDriver]

@HaitianPattyFromNYC

Of course your slow ass has no come back.

As always southern dudes talking out they ass when their ducktales are exposed

 

[intruder]

Like you say?

The South is filled with black men who chase white women and put white women on a pedestal over black women.

So you do not get to say “New York is white people of black people”

We don’t willingly inpregnate our slave masters.

NYers do it just as much as the others IMO. And when they wanna feel good about themselves they just get the closest thing to a white woman without her being white: A Puerto-Rican.

Either way here's one of your NY heros with his queen. Lil Fame

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