Was this '95 Source Awards really a pivotal moment in hiphop?

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Outkast and No Limit kicked in the door in 97-98, by 2000 hip-hop was kinda 60%-40% in favor of NYC. Then about to 2003... Atlanta (especially) and New Orleans, Memphis had clearly taken over aside from 50 Cent, Dipset and Rocafella. After 2003 that all you ever saw were Magazine articles talking about "How can we bring hip-hop back to NY"
At that point nikkaz didn't even wanna listen to NY hip-hop anymore, especially here in Baltimore.

The ironic thing about is that by the mid-2000s it was the NY rappers complaining about southern rappers not fukking nikkaz from other regions particularly NYC.

It was just crazy how the south to took that shyt over.

here in la southern artists were ridiculously over. i was in the 8th grade in 98-99, and no limit had it locked up. i remember a bunch of dudes being hyped for mia x's album at the time. it might help that the west coast never seemed to have an issue with the south though
 

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I have an honest dumb question: Is it me or like a trend or customary in American cultures that after you diss a region you can soften the blow or evade backlash by saying that you have family from there?

I'm asking because ive seen this done many times. I was taking a class last year and the guy that was teaching it , black very educated brother, said something about Alabama. Then caught himself (knowing some people in the class were from there) a few seconds afterwards he said "I can say that I have family from there" and then moved onto the next topic of the class.

It's not the first time I've heard this. I've heard many people from up North say things about Southerners wether in South Carolina or Georgia or wherever and then say "oh I have family down there".
Just a random Haitian asking:manny:




lol that's facts. to me it's akin to them ofays going in on us and then turning around to say "oh but i have black friends" as if it somehow softens the blow or even gives them the cache to say pretty much whatever they want negative
 

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The Death Row crew performance on the night was EPIC by the way








yes indeed they were incredible

but keeping it a brick you know who really ruled the 2nd annual source awards? bone thugs man. their performance didn't have the deathrow bells and whistles but they completely tore shyt down. bizzy ain't normal at all
 

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I think the crowd would've been better in New York, Chicago, or Atlanta or anywhere else.

We all loved New York Hip-Hop & grew up on it.

Everybody loved LL Cool J & Run DMC & Melle Mel and them.

If you love Hip-Hop you grew up idolizing New York rappers.

New York abused that privilege. They could've embraced people that looked up to them instead of dissing them..
This is simply not true
 

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lol that's facts. to me it's akin to them ofays going in on us and then turning around to say "oh but i have black friends" as if it somehow softens the blow or even gives them the cache to say pretty much whatever they want negative

Hahaha. That's what I thought and was saying in the previous post. It's like the Jerry Seinfeld episode where people were upset that the rival comedian was making Jewish jokes and his response was s he was 1/8 Jewish so he is able to tell Jewish jokes as a comedian in his sets. :russ:
 

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Hahaha. That's what I thought and was saying in the previous post. It's like the Jerry Seinfeld episode where people were upset that the rival comedian was making Jewish jokes and his response was s he was 1/8 Jewish so he is able to tell Jewish jokes as a comedian in his sets. :russ:


lol i remember that shyt man. classic episode among many right there :pachaha:
 

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This is simply not true
What are you talking about?:mjlol:

This thread is obviously about rappers of a certain time period. The only way rappers from other regions got into hip hop in the first place was by liking NY artists. There’s no way around that. You can’t tell me groups like 8Ball&MJG or the Geto Boys or UGK didn’t come up on NY hip hop becuz there was no other hip hop for them to come up on. The west wasn’t mainstream till the late 80s
 

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What are you talking about?:mjlol:

This thread is obviously about rappers of a certain time period. The only way rappers from other regions got into hip hop in the first place was by liking NY artists. There’s no way around that. You can’t tell me groups like 8Ball&MJG or the Geto Boys or UGK didn’t come up on NY hip hop becuz there was no other hip hop for them to come up on. The west wasn’t mainstream till the late 80s

Hell no

There was real admiration for West coast artist not NY
 

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That's how I know what I'm talking about

Hell no

There was real admiration for West coast artist not NY

There were no West Coast artists, who were famous nationally until like '89-'90.

All those nikkaz grew up worshipping Run-DMC, LL Cool J, and Rakim:pachaha:
 

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Nobody is saying that. New Yorker are elitists, period. As I said before " black New Yorkers are pretty much the white people of black people" always acting like THEY should set the trend and THEY should dictate the standards.
:childplease: We invented the genre, ofc we set the standards.

I have an honest dumb question: Is it me or like a trend or customary in American cultures that after you diss a region you can soften the blow or evade backlash by saying that you have family from there?
I personally can't stand this shyt. I've only seen it said in mixed company, around foreign blacks, so maybe that's why you hear it so much. I rarely heard it growing up in Harlem, but then we were still very much connected to the South. Outer borough nikkas, not so much. Once I started being around foreign blacks, there were a lot of ashamed AA's trynna separate themselves from the root of the tree. I don't allow it in my presence.
 

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I personally can't stand this shyt. I've only seen it said in mixed company, around foreign blacks, so maybe that's why you hear it so much. I rarely heard it growing up in Harlem, but then we were still very much connected to the South. Outer borough nikkas, not so much. Once I started being around foreign blacks, there were a lot of ashamed AA's trynna separate themselves from the root of the tree. I don't allow it in my presence.

Breh, so you are saying RZA was in "mixed company with foreign blacks" when he said this in the interview? You cannot deny he said it because not only is it well documented in a damn PUBLISHED magazine but it cause Southerners to call him out on it to the point he had to have another explain himself and backpedal a bit as seen in the article that @old boy posted in response to my post. So you're saying we "foreign black" have that much influence or are you calling all these magazine reports FALSE? This it not a rethorical question. I need your answer. Either find the plotting with foreign blacks in the interview process or outright call out all these credible news sources for outright lying. Even @KodeBlue who i assume is AA admits that it does happen.

As for the story i told about the professor saying it in my class I'm sure since all the class session videos are recorded live i can look for it and post a ling for you to hear what he said verbatim. Granted he was from GA and he was talking about Alabama and still had to be on some "well i can say that. I have family there"

But one fact that you CANNOT deny is that among black americans, the northerners DO look down on their southern brothers as if they are "lower class" or "uneducated" and therefore "inferior". Read through RZA's explanation/apology and he in a way reinforces that mindset.
But dont mind me and these here FACTS. It's us "foreign blacks" causing you to be divided among yourselves on some "divide and conquer" type shyt because.. you know.. we are world conquerors:smugdraper:
Some of you and your Uncle Ruckus "dont trust them new n*****s over there" type mindset is hilarious

 
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:childplease: We invented the genre, ofc we set the standards.
Doesnt always have to be. Canadians invented basketball. Americans adopted it and perfected it. Germans invented jet engine. After WW2 Americans offered the german engineers from those german corerations and now all the leading get engine manufacturers in the world are in...? America. Togolose and Beninois gave birth to the voodoo religion. And when you mention voodoo who do people typically picture in their minds? Haitians

So yeah just because you invented something doesnt mean to get to hog it up for life. shyt evolves. You get it to where you can and eventually may sometimes have to let someone else put their spin on it.
 
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