We need to have a conversation about streaming numbers for Hov's classics
- Thread starter Mike Wins
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People bring that up because it’s relevant. His albums being TIDAL exclusive for all that time means a lot of his listeners more than likely still listen to his stuff there, just like I do.
The true measure would be to see the numbers from all streaming services put together, and not just one.
According to @Mike Wins Jay classics are barely getting played so it evens out
Jay's monthly listener count so high because he get a bunch of streams from Rihanna, Beyonce and Alicia Keys fans for 1 or 2 songs he happen to be on. Let's do some quick math, I can divide
JAY-Z - Spotify Top Songs
A website that collects and analyzes music data from around the world. All of the charts, sales and streams, constantly updated.
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Total daily streams last week 7,775,766
Umbrella 951,837, 12%
Crazy In Love 736,096, 9%
Empire State of Mind 686,511, 9%
Run This Town 386,921, 5%
WTT 1,402,438, 18%
That's over half his total streams right there, not even getting into the Linkin Park and Drake features adding a bunch of streams and unique listeners.
WTT is only #7 on Kanye's most streamed albums list last week. Easily Jay's #1 album. But, listen to Hovengers tell it, the Kanye stimulus is a myth. In fact, Hov is the main reason WTT hit like it did
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I agree it would be more useful but Spotify is the only one that make the numbers public
Tidal don't release its subscriber count either but it's estimated at less than 2% of the streaming market. Don't think it's making that big an impact. And probably a lot of the listeners that signed up mainly for Hov switched after he ended the exclusive deal because until recently it cost double what the others did
He was Drake before Drake.
He ran to Virginia and Chicago when he wanted his checks balanced.
He ran to Virginia and Chicago when he wanted his checks balanced.
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I agree it would be more useful but Spotify is the only one that make the numbers public
Tidal don't release its subscriber count either but it's estimated at less than 2% of the streaming market. Don't think it's making that big an impact. And probably a lot of the listeners that signed up mainly for Hov switched after he ended the exclusive deal because until recently it cost double what the others did
TIDAL always cost the same as all others, and a lot of them probably didn’t switch just like me because of the superior sound, and imo superior interface.
All in all, he could have the worst numbers of any rapper ever, and he’d still be the GOAT to the people who see him as such.
Breh younger crowd loves Cube and he tours all the time. Plus songs like “It Was A Good Day” and “You Know How We Do It” still resonate regardless of the age of the listeners.
And then you gotta think about which “era” of Ice Cube people rock with. Some are super nostalgic about the Cube right after he left NWA and then think about the Players Club era Cube who made “You Can Do It”. That was a huge party record.
And despite them not doing anything for over 20 years, people LOVE Westside Connection because they made great songs and were crashing out for the hell of it back in the late 90s
And that conversation applies to any producer who was a staple on albums back then.
I think Premo is a Top 5, but he has beats that didn't age well too. There's not a producer worth their weight who doesn't have beats that didn't age well no matter how great they are.
That's the thing with this board, people refuse to be consistent. They'll claim certain sounds and producers didn't age well. This board collectively thinks that everything with a soul sample is timeless and that it can't possibly be dated or aged.
Jay Z is probably the only MC to be considered Top 10 that gets hit with "he was never #1 in any year he was out". No other MC gets hit with that argument. And it's a rather empty argument because you'd never have anyone looking up sales to say who was bigger than Rakim during his run. We never setalk of how MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice were bigger than LL Cool J in the early 90's to discredit his standing.
I got Nas, Pac, and Biggie over Jay and he'd probably be at the bottom of my personal Top 10, but ya'll be doing the most when it comes to Jay.
I got Nas, Pac, and Biggie over Jay and he'd probably be at the bottom of my personal Top 10, but ya'll be doing the most when it comes to Jay.
It comes from the fact that his entire goat push was manufactured. No one said reasonable doubt was classic in 96. He campaigned for that. No one respects that
It's because his fans and PR machine constantly bring up record sales, hit records, and relevance to justify his GOAT status. More than any other rapper. So it's gonna get used against him too when these debates come up.
Like when he said "only dudes moving units Em, Pimp Juice and us"
Jay was coming off back to back double platinum albums, at the time when Em had just dropped back to back albums that eventually went diamond, Nelly back to back albums that eventually went diamond and 7x platinum. But Hov inserted himself in that conversation and his stans act like he was on that level of popularity. So that's why you see the pushback
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I mean it is a myth Ye is on 5 of his top 10 currently but he made him though, so it doesn't countJay's monthly listener count so high because he get a bunch of streams from Rihanna, Beyonce and Alicia Keys fans for 1 or 2 songs he happen to be on. Let's do some quick math, I can divide
JAY-Z - Spotify Top Songs
A website that collects and analyzes music data from around the world. All of the charts, sales and streams, constantly updated.kworb.net
Total daily streams last week 7,775,766
Umbrella 951,837, 12%
Crazy In Love 736,096, 9%
Empire State of Mind 686,511, 9%
Run This Town 386,921, 5%
WTT 1,402,438, 18%
That's over half his total streams right there, not even getting into the Linkin Park and Drake features adding a bunch of streams and unique listeners.
WTT is only #7 on Kanye's most streamed albums list last week. Easily Jay's #1 album. But, listen to Hovengers tell it, the Kanye stimulus is a myth. In fact, Hov is the main reason WTT hit like it did
