We need to have a conversation about streaming numbers for Hov's classics

[Big Boss]

RD was obviously borrowing heavily from RTD and Doe Or Die. He also miraculously switched his entire style 2 or 3 months after Illmatic dropped.

Vol. 1 was basically a Bad Boy album. Will never forget watching the Sunshine video first time and one of the homies was like "why this dude trying so hard to be Mase?"

Vol. 2 jumped on the Ruff Ryders wave.

Vol. 3 jumped on the Dirty South wave.

Dynasty jumped on the West Coast wave after saying "too much West Coast dikk licking" on RD.

BP jocking Supreme Clientele, Kanye even said all his beats on that album was made for Ghost.

I can keep going

Dude is extremely talented and adept at adapting to what's hot but almost never did anything original

Facts

 

[Cloud McFly]

It comes from the fact that his entire goat push was manufactured. No one said reasonable doubt was classic in 96. He campaigned for that. No one respects that

If if was that easy, every album released would be classic. Besides, the meaning of classic is something that stands the test of time, so because you believe nobody felt that way in 96, it doesn’t negate the quality of the project one bit.

 

[Zero]

They were completely nobodies in the industry before him so we should be asking the other way around

You can’t make up the asinine assertions cats come up with when it comes to him. They just be saying anything.

Nah brehs, the guy who made this was a legit problem

 

[Ku$h Parker]

Yeah he got a lot of those type of beats and seemed to always pick the wackiest pinball sounding Timbaland beats back then. Even Big Pimpin is a wack Timbaland beat. Pimp C tried to tell us, but at least he saved the song with his charisma.

Nah,Its Hot(Some Like It Hot) & Come and Get Me are GOATed Timbo

 

[bigde09]

If if was that easy, every album released would be classic. Besides, the meaning of classic is something that stands the test of time, so because you believe nobody felt that way in 96, it doesn’t negate the quality of the project one bit.

I enjoy reasonable doubt. What I’m saying is no one respects a campaign for goat status. Let your music do its talking.

 

[Zero]

Does the hate for Hov stem from the fact that most publications and media outlets have him ranked as the greatest ever?

It's Nas dikkriding. Occam's razor breh.

 

[Mike Wins]

It comes from the fact that his entire goat push was manufactured. No one said reasonable doubt was classic in 96. He campaigned for that. No one respects that

This is it. First time I remember that PR machine was when Lyor and Kevin Liles got the Stillmatic Freestyle banned from radio and Angie Martinez was trying to say callers was giving Nas a narrow edge after Ether. If Fat Joe hadn't been there calling out the bullshyt, that 90% of the votes was for Nas, Angie probably would've said the callers voted for Hov.

After 2002, dude's PR team went into overdrive. Damn near retconned that R. Kelly dud out of existence, pretended BP2 wasn't seen as a disappointment, pulled the fake retirement stunt. They was hailing The Black Album as a classic before anyone heard a single song.

It's known, media outlets fear getting "the phone call" from the label and management if they say anything negative about Hov or Beyoncé. It's why his duds get completely ignored by the press, unlike any other rapper. The GOAT politician. Triple H of Rap.

 

[HNIC973]

It's Nas dikkriding. Occam's razor breh.

Nobody even bought up Nas until wait for it Hovengers did

 

[Cloud McFly]

I enjoy reasonable doubt. What I’m saying is no one respects a campaign for goat status. Let your music do its talking.

I’ve been listening to rap since 87, but I guess I somehow missed this big campaign you speak of. Dude never said anything more than his peers ever said about themselves. As stated before, he’s the only one that ever gets penalized for stuff the rest do (sometimes more than him).

Hell, LL even released an album called The G.O.A.T.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

He’s not lol.





Jay z 35 million monthly listeners

Ice cube 8 million monthly listeners

Why are you posting total monthly listeners when the daily streams in OP says he is out streaming him? You can have more listeners listen to a couple songs vs fewer who are listening to your whole project and lose the daily streams game

 

[bigde09]

Dude never said anything more than his peers ever said about themselves.

Jay is one of the most insecure, egotistical dudes in the history of rap Let’s be real bro

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

you know jay haters are delusional if they are saying rihanna kept jay relevant i noticed a lot of posters rewriting history since the drake and kendrick beef by downplaying jay's impact to big up kendrick and nas.

Pound for pound, I'm the best to ever come around here
Excludin' nobody, look what I embody:
The soul of a hustler, I really ran the street
A CEO's mind, that marketin' plan was me
And no, I ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shyt in a whole bunch of lines
And I ain't animated like, say, a Busta Rhymes
But the real shyt you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact I went plat' a bunch of times
Times that by my influence on pop culture
I'm supposed to be number one on everybody list
We'll see what happens when I no longer exist

goat

 

[HNIC973]

Hovengers defense force any time anyone questions him

 

[Goatpoacher]

Read the 1996 Source Review of Jay-Z’s ‘Reasonable Doubt,’ Dropped 20 Years Ago Today - The Source

Jay-Z dropped his Roc-A-Fella debut album, Reasonable Doubt, 20 years ago today, June 25. In 1996, The Source had been around for nearly a decade when writer Charlie Braxton wrote his review on the album, giving it a "four mics" rating, just one shy of the ultimate "five mics" review. The album...

thesource.com

 

[Goatpoacher]

you know jay haters are delusional if they are saying rihanna kept jay relevant i noticed a lot of posters rewriting history since the drake and kendrick beef by downplaying jay's impact to big up kendrick and nas.

Pound for pound, I'm the best to ever come around here
Excludin' nobody, look what I embody:
The soul of a hustler, I really ran the street
A CEO's mind, that marketin' plan was me
And no, I ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shyt in a whole bunch of lines
And I ain't animated like, say, a Busta Rhymes
But the real shyt you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact I went plat' a bunch of times
Times that by my influence on pop culture
I'm supposed to be number one on everybody list
We'll see what happens when I no longer exist

goat

Jayz's greatness is measured by all his verses about his own greatness.