We need to have a conversation about streaming numbers for Hov's classics

[Alexander Wiggin]

Yes, Jay Z said a lot of BS in his campaign for GOAT. That is part of his job. I laughed at a lot of his bars where he tried to embellish and even guilt trip the audience into agreeing he was the GOAT. And the "only dudes moving units is Em, Pimp Juice, and us" will always be funny on the strength of Kast and Luda were selling more units than Jay Z at the time.

Still, I'm not about to diss dude for pushing the "I should be #1 on everybody's list" campaign. I laughed because he was never #1 on my list, wasn't going to be #1, and would have fared better IMO of he would've let the music speak for itself. That is the beauty of American Gangster. It is the least insecure Jay album and there wasn't the campaign for him trying to convince the world of his greatness. He simply showed it. There wasn't no "they got me fighting ghosts", "30's the new 20", "this is the new rules" type of raps that plagued everything from TBA to MCHG.

Like the who's the best Mc biggie jay z or nas when Jay was never in the conversation in 97.

Even americain gangster was a trick. The mature approach for kingdom come didn't work so he attached himself to the movie making it sound like a soundtrack when it wasn't and used it to be able to get back to drug talk. It was clever but unauthentic, but it worked

 

[Fanservice]

My theory is Jay fans still listen to his albums they downloaded on flash drives 15+ years ago

 

[Fanservice]

My theory is Jay fans still listen to his albums they stored on flash drives 15+ years ago

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

He on the first album cause they wanted him there. If your favorite older artist wanted him there, they would be there also.

Those artist knew a song with Jay was more impactful to that career then any artist from his generation

J Cole was literally begging for a feature.

Drake was mentioning Jay and saying he never cried bout pac but if Jay died he would cry his heart out on mixtapes before his debut album.

Same with Kendrick, we had Jay as his dream features and cried when Jay sent the verse over

That's a naive take. Jay has an history of sending verses to whoever is hot or has a hot song to keep him in the current wave.
Yes a Jay verse became important because he made it that way, but you think theses artist would turn down an ice cube verse, a nas verse a scarface verse ? No but theses artists ain't trend hoppers.
Drake and Kendrick praised all the og's not just Jay. They were rookies in the game and a vet like Jay give you a verse you not gonna say no.
The only one who said no was cam'ron and we all know how it turned out.

Drake took his playbook from Jay. You gotta have the character and power of cats like camron or the weekend to not be used by vampire artists like that

 

[ThirdAct]

Jay lawst

 

[PHamm]

Jay's monthly listener count so high because he get a bunch of streams from Rihanna, Beyonce and Alicia Keys fans for 1 or 2 songs he happen to be on. Let's do some quick math, I can divide

JAY-Z - Spotify Top Songs

A website that collects and analyzes music data from around the world. All of the charts, sales and streams, constantly updated.

kworb.net

Total daily streams last week 7,775,766
Umbrella 951,837, 12%
Crazy In Love 736,096, 9%
Empire State of Mind 686,511, 9%
Run This Town 386,921, 5%
WTT 1,402,438, 18%

That's over half his total streams right there, not even getting into the Linkin Park and Drake features adding a bunch of streams and unique listeners.

WTT is only #7 on Kanye's most streamed albums list last week. Easily Jay's #1 album. But, listen to Hovengers tell it, the Kanye stimulus is a myth. In fact, Hov is the main reason WTT hit like it did

Nasty work

 

[Mike Wins]

That's a naive take. Jay has an history of sending verses to whoever is hot or has a hot song to keep him in the current wave.
Yes a Jay verse became important because he made it that way, but you think theses artist would turn down an ice cube verse, a nas verse a scarface verse ? No but theses artists ain't trend hoppers.
Drake and Kendrick praised all the og's not just Jay. They were rookies in the game and a vet like Jay give you a verse you not gonna say no.
The only one who said no was cam'ron and we all know how it turned out.

Drake took his playbook from Jay. You gotta have the character and power of cats like camron or the weekend to not be used by vampire artists like that

Sometimes it backfired.

Having the worst verse and flow on an album with multiple Birdman features is

 

[PHamm]

It comes from the fact that his entire goat push was manufactured. No one said reasonable doubt was classic in 96. He campaigned for that. No one respects that

Yup. He went on a whole campaign before BP dropped to have RD deemed classic, when it is a regional classic at best. He had to change the narrative before initating the battle with Nas.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Yes a Jay verse became important because he made it that way, but you think theses artist would turn down an ice cube verse, a nas verse a scarface verse ? No but theses artists ain't trend hoppers.
Drake and Kendrick praised all the og's not just Jay. They were rookies in the game and a vet like Jay give you a verse you not gonna say no.
The only one who said no was cam'ron and we all know how it turned out.

Drake took his playbook from Jay. You gotta have the character and power of cats like camron or the weekend to not be used by vampire artists like that

Why is it so hard to believe these people actually like Jay Z

 

[Street Knowledge]

Yup. He went on a whole campaign before BP dropped to have RD deemed classic, when it is a regional classic at best. He had to change the narrative before initating the battle with Nas.

What was this “campaign”? Why Are people acting like he’s the first rapper to say his album was classic

 

[Iverson_64]

The nikka is definitely the most discussed 90's era rapper that's still breathin

Kind of a chicken and egg scenario. Like, "he's not relevant", but there's always at least 3 or 4 Hov threads daily on the front page and he ain't dropped in almost 8 years. Make it make sense.

Eh...I'd say Eminem and Wayne are more discussed in this day and age when it comes to rapping and music.

Jay's the most discussed as a mogul and celebrity though.

 

[DontEemTry]

Eh...I'd say Eminem and Wayne are more discussed in this day and age when it comes to rapping and music.

Jay's the most discussed as a mogul and celebrity though.

Can't remember the last time I saw a discussion about Em or Waynes music to be honest.

nikkas discuss Jays music all the time, but mostly to compare with other artists

 

[JustCKing]

What was this “campaign”? Why Are people acting like he’s the first rapper to say his album was classic

The "campaign" was him basically him telling us he should be #1.

 

[No1]

Can't remember the last time I saw a discussion about Em or Waynes music to be honest.

nikkas discuss Jays music all the time, but mostly to compare with other artists

Fam, these guys are pushing 40 or older at this point obsessed with arguing about this funny looking billionaire rapping nikka who hasn’t dropped an album in 7 years. Like, this shyt isn’t old to you? It’s been on loop since about 2003. I might mute this dude’s name on this site if it’s possible.

 

[mikishere]

Eh...I'd say Eminem and Wayne are more discussed in this day and age when it comes to rapping and music.

Jay's the most discussed as a mogul and celebrity though.

yeah this is a lie . whenever music is mentioned, somehow jay is ALWAYS the measuring stick.