And I wonder why that is.
I used to get weekly tags from you and then nothing.
We still pretending the Warriors didn't make a mistake drafting Wiseman over Lamelo or nah
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I used to get weekly tags from you and then nothing.
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Yeah, unless Poole decides to play at his paygrade, it’s a wrap.
Can’t change the past but it’s nice to imagine.
LaMelo would’ve got instant burn with the second unit and have them dudes looking like he had PJ and Bridges looking. Got them nikkas paid honestly.. at least more than they would have without him and thats real.
And then to put him with high IQ starting lineup that runs, moves constantly, shoots at a high clip… crazy. They would’ve had HIM looking good too because LaMelo can definitely score some easy buckets. Imagine the shyt he could’ve learned from those dudes.
LaMelo can be careless too who has suspect shot selection, BUT he can make everyone better. He wouldn’t do that in GS like Poole does at least. Hornets team was completely trash when Melo was coming off the bench.. once that coach FINALLY started him they took off to their max potential at this moment. They need Wemby or something or LaMelo riding off into the sunset
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
@tremonthustler1 I see where your thinking is flawed let me help you
What you’re doing is thinking ‘well GS plays like xyz, lamelo doesn’t fit with xyz.’
That’s irrelevant bruh. Players come before the system, not the other way around. They can play any way. STEPH can play any way. Dude just had 14 assists, a week after having 50 and taking 38 shots. He can play anywhere anyhow you’re buggin my guy
I haven't brought up play style much because I don't think that's the issue. I'm not saying whether he'd suck in a lesser role. I'm saying paying someone that kind of money for that role is a poor allocation of funds. It's a volatile role as Poole has proven during this postseason.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
1. Dante’s “role” is what it is because thats all his talent allows …a better player in those minutes would obviously give you more value
2. Having to pay a guy max money means you likely have a good playerLike my brother what are you even saying here? “Ohh no we have tooo many good players that we have to pay” I don’t understand what kind of argument that is …are you suggesting that you rather have bad players that don’t command high salaries? Help me digest what you’re trying to say here.
Ok bro so now are you’re insinuating that Lamelo would have looked sooooooo good on the Warriors that they would of course not trade him and thus not extract true value for him?cmon my bro
I just showed you an example of a team that moved on from a young player because of roster construction and the value proposition that young player offers you if you let him go …if the Kings would do that to accommodate building a better team for DeAron Foxx you’re going to sit here and straight face say that the warriors wouldn’t have traded either Ball or Poole to accommodate Steph Curry and building a better balanced team for him?
Like even if what you’re saying about clusterfukk teams is true that’s still a good problem to have as you still have an off ramp in that situation with a trade that can benefit your team.
This is a bunch of excuse making tbh, the guy played what 5 college games, you mean to tell me they didn’t know he was going to be “behind” in his development lmao that’s called neglect at best and incompetence at worst
He wasn’t good before the injury he wasn’t good after the injury he was simply never a good basketball player period… his demise steams from him simply not being good and being OVERDRAFTED based solely on physical traits instead of basketball ability… we’ve seen this time and time and time again with big men in drafts.. especially when they flash a level of athleticism at that size
Well I don’t know if the Warriors actually had a competitive package to solicit a move up to #1 at the time. What would that offer have even looked like? And what guarantees the Wolves would have taken it? It’s one thing to say you’re shopping your pick it’s another to make the deal.
There’s variables in that scenario outside of the Warriors pure boneheaded decision making process unlike them directly choosing to draft James Wiseman
1. Having an embarrassment of riches is fine if you're not deficient elsewhere. Golden State doesn't have much front court size (and definitely won't if Draymond walks) and it hasn't been for lack of effort. The scrap heap guys they were getting weren't panning out. That's something they're still trying to address.
2. Again, not judging LaMelo as a player. I'm saying teams are clingy. If I deem you worthy of that sort of money, I'm gonna be hard pressed to trade you even if it makes sense to do so. Re: your Kings point, most people thought they were catering to the wrong guard. That's why many people ripped them for dealing Haliburton, some just wondering why they didn't just stick it out with all the guards they had. They made a tough choice. Had they not done so, they're not lighting beams. Most teams wanna hedge.
3. I can easily answer the last question:
They did. All it woulda took was the 2nd pick and the pick they got in the Wiggins deal (which wound up being Kuminga).
nikka…. There is no predetermined set in stone role. If Lamelo is on the warriors they’d be a different team, and he would be playing a wholely unique role. He wouldnt be playing ‘the Jordan Poole role’…just like Jordan poole isn’t playing ‘the igoudala role’
They never have and it’s never really ultimately mattered in the end …that system doesn’t need to and is never going to prioritize a heavy use big…they play their best basketball small historically ..so why chase it? There’s no logic behind that besides vanity ..or trying superficially to reinvent the wheel …this team and their style was never designed to be front court centric to begin with so that makes spending a prized asset like the #2 pick in the draft on a project center even more regrettable from a contextual POV …they already had a competent starter in Looney ..they could have went right into free agency that year and easily grabbed someone like Bobby Portis for dirt cheap like Mil did and be set for another 3-4 years.. instead they chased trying to build the perfect NBA 2k “meta” roster with Allstars at every position when they should have simply doubled down on the winning formula of perimeter oriented skill players who historically thrive there
Again for this scenario to play out your doomsday prognostication couldn’t have also played out ..if Lamelo evolved so much during the years leading to his extension that they would be willing to pay him annnnnd not trade him he OBVIOUSLY would have developed into a valuable player within the structure of their system (that’s a win)
The Kings Front Office didn’t … and that’s all that matters ..they were obviously more sharp more informed and more versed on making that decision than some talking head or chat board posters …but more importantly they had the choice/option to make that move to begin with because they utilized their draft resources properly to take Hali in the first place …that is the whole point you seem to be missing in this exchange
Yeah I don’t know about that …I recall reports coming out after the draft that once Minny locked in on Ant late in the process it was over …maybe they could have struck earlier around the lottery idk ..but either way what we do know for sure is that they were definitively able to draft someone else and they did not
FukkaPaidEmail
Retired Hoodrat whisperer
People that had horrible take’s regarding Melo are still trying to find ways to downplay him after literally seeing what he can do in the NBA ..it’s insane .Just admit you were wrong about the draft and keep it moving .
James Wiseman was literally the worst pick the Warriors could’ve made
James Wiseman was literally the worst pick the Warriors could’ve made
This comment didn’t age well
One of the worst draft decisions in modern NBA history. This was such an obvious pick….the NBA gods literally gifted them a star who is a perfect fit for them.
And they said nah give me the dude who can’t play more than 20 games a season without literally falling apart.
And they said nah give me the dude who can’t play more than 20 games a season without literally falling apart.
pointless KP is a free agent
Of course they fukked up
These bozos knew on draft night that Klay was injured and destined to befrom that point on.
There was plenty tape on Melo and dude literally showed out in the NBL.
Now if the warriors just wanted to “win now” with the current crew from that time and get whatever was left out of Steph and Co then I understand. But your future always matters. This team isnt the 1997 Bulls.
But you can build around Melo and watch how crazy his free agency looks next year. And watch the Lakers somehow pull him in
Melo is a rfa he’s going nowhere
That was the main talking point for coping with not taking LaMelo. That, and the warriors didnt like Lavar Ball. Seeing as how Wiseman was stastically the worst impact player in the league and still is, and Lavar hasn't really said much since LaMelo was drafted, the whole situation is a complete L for the Warriors. Drafting a G-League player with the 2nd overall pick, then salary dumping him, instead of drafting the future ROY and All-Star is a huge mistake. Unfathomably bad draft management. The kinda shyt that would normally get a GM fired.
Bad trade for both teams
If I’m DC, I make GS put their money where their mouth is. You hate Poole, you hate Kuminga, Aight give em up. I want Poole, Kuminga, and Moody. They all trash right ? Wizards get younger (and separately trade Beal and Kuzma ). And GS gets rid of the apparent dead weight.
GS: Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Zingis, Looney
Wizards new core: Poole, Moody, (Amen Thompson), Kuminga, Advija + whatever you get for Beal
Win, win