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Imo, some of the stand powers. I was confused a bit watching FF and that old dude with the dragon stand fighting.

Dragon's Dream is basically a compass that points the user to their lucky and unlucky spots, as long as you're in the lucky spot you can evade all attacks and if in unlucky spots the opposite is true.

When Dragon's Dream points at an unlucky spot Kenzou can strike the Dragon which teleports/directs the attack to the enemy, if it's blocked then some Final Destination stuff will happen like the glasses hitting FF

FF won because she tricked Kenzou into leaving his lucky spot
 

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Agreed & it's ridiculously close.

There's a reason this comparison has been beat to death across every platform where anime and manga are discussed for well over a decade. HxH has a better power system & world building but YYH has better group dynamics and more likeable characters, at least in the main cast. Togashi really emphasized that Yusuke's squad is a team, in nearly every meaningful moment they're apart of a unit. With HxH, the closest you ever get is Gon and Killua on a regular basis, even then they're always their own thing. So you end up with two different approaches to character development and I can't give the edge to either one.

At the end of the day, to even have this type of contention is proof he made 2 all time greats. Definitely a GOAT.
You know this was a well articulated opinion and I was ready to agree.

The more I thought about it tho, YYH group dynamic was actually kinda weak. The cool openings of them standing around staring off into space like a boyband always made me feel that. But when I thought about it, shyts not even true forreal.

Kurama was just there, he didn't really seem to have a special connection with anyone in the main cast...or anyone at all for that matter. Just the guy Hiei apparently talks to off screen.

Hiei and Kuwabara hate each other but its played off for laughs. Yuskue and Kuwabara turned into real friends but that really seems like it. When Kuwabara left the cast it didn't seem like Hiei or Kurama ever gave a fukk.

At least the HxH cast all fukk with each Lerio being the dad/big bro to the kids yet seeming like a big clumsy ass kid to Kurapika. Gon and Killua are best friends while Leorio is terrified of Killua lowkey. Kurapika being capable and serious but softens up from Gon. They played off each other well in the short time they got together and actually care about one another.
 

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You know this was a well articulated opinion and I was ready to agree.

The more I thought about it tho, YYH group dynamic was actually kinda weak. The cool openings of them standing around staring off into space like a boyband always made me feel that. But when I thought about it, shyts not even true forreal.

Kurama was just there, he didn't really seem to have a special connection with anyone in the main cast...or anyone at all for that matter. Just the guy Hiei apparently talks to off screen.

Hiei and Kuwabara hate each other but its played off for laughs. Yuskue and Kuwabara turned into real friends but that really seems like it. When Kuwabara left the cast it didn't seem like Hiei or Kurama ever gave a fukk.

At least the HxH cast all fukk with each Lerio being the dad/big bro to the kids yet seeming like a big clumsy ass kid to Kurapika. Gon and Killua are best friends while Leorio is terrified of Killua lowkey. Kurapika being capable and serious but softens up from Gon. They played off each other well in the short time they got together and actually care about one another.
That’s how I seen it as well, I thought it was supposed to be like that more or less.

They’re all not really friends, only Yusuke and Kuwabara. It really seems that Hiei and Kurama were there only when needed because they not friends but they're a squad when they have to be, they all got they own lives type of thing.

That’s how I feel at least.

With HxH I felt that Gon was the glue to everyone, he was cool with all of them, but Killua seems like he only really messes with Gon.

Like he’s cool with the other two, but only because he’s cool with Gon.

I never got the vibe that he was friends with them like that.
 

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Dragon's Dream is basically a compass that points the user to their lucky and unlucky spots, as long as you're in the lucky spot you can evade all attacks and if in unlucky spots the opposite is true.

When Dragon's Dream points at an unlucky spot Kenzou can strike the Dragon which teleports/directs the attack to the enemy, if it's blocked then some Final Destination stuff will happen like the glasses hitting FF

FF won because she tricked Kenzou into leaving his lucky spot
Breh, I had to rewind that shyt a few times because they kept explaining shyt.

I think that is the worst; explaining something with heavy action going on.

:mjlol: :mjlol:

That creator is one creative mothafukka though.
 

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That’s how I seen it as well, I thought it was supposed to be like that more or less.

They’re all not really friends, only Yusuke and Kuwabara. It really seems that Hiei and Kurama were there only when needed because they not friends but they're a squad when they have to be, they all got they own lives type of thing.

That’s how I feel at least.

With HxH I felt that Gon was the glue to everyone, he was cool with all of them, but Killua seems like he only really messes with Gon.

Like he’s cool with the other two, but only because he’s cool with Gon.

I never got the vibe that he was friends with them like that.
True Killua only cared about Gon, he didn't seem to gel with anyone else in the series
 

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Breh, I had to rewind that shyt a few times because they kept explaining shyt.

I think that is the worst; explaining something with heavy action going on.

:mjlol: :mjlol:

That creator is one creative mothafukka though.

JoJo lives up to the Bizzare in its name, Araki never fails to come up with some crazy shyt but that’s why I love it :russ:
 

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You know this was a well articulated opinion and I was ready to agree.

The more I thought about it tho, YYH group dynamic was actually kinda weak. The cool openings of them standing around staring off into space like a boyband always made me feel that. But when I thought about it, shyts not even true forreal.

Kurama was just there, he didn't really seem to have a special connection with anyone in the main cast...or anyone at all for that matter. Just the guy Hiei apparently talks to off screen.

Hiei and Kuwabara hate each other but its played off for laughs. Yuskue and Kuwabara turned into real friends but that really seems like it. When Kuwabara left the cast it didn't seem like Hiei or Kurama ever gave a fukk.

At least the HxH cast all fukk with each Lerio being the dad/big bro to the kids yet seeming like a big clumsy ass kid to Kurapika. Gon and Killua are best friends while Leorio is terrified of Killua lowkey. Kurapika being capable and serious but softens up from Gon. They played off each other well in the short time they got together and actually care about one another.

With YYH its more about mutual respect gained through solving conflicts together. Idk if that makes their group dynamic weaker than HxH, just expressed differently.



I remember this scene being a defining point in how close the group became. Didn't really need to be said how much they liked Yusuke. You even had Hiei giving Yusuke a pep talk a little before this to clear his head.

Then by the end of the manga you had Kuwabara, Kurama, Botan etc regularly meeting up to talk about the state of affairs, when Yusuke could be returning. There's no more conflict but they're all still cool.
 

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:wow: Even though part 6 is my personal goat when Part 7 gets animated :Qlol: I can see it now s*** is going to get HxH 2011/FMAB type of wank. Gonna be seeing it in a lot of top 5 lists
 

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With YYH its more about mutual respect gained through solving conflicts together. Idk if that makes their group dynamic weaker than HxH, just expressed differently.



I remember this scene being a defining point in how close the group became. Didn't really need to be said how much they liked Yusuke. You even had Hiei giving Yusuke a pep talk a little before this to clear his head.

Then by the end of the manga you had Kuwabara, Kurama, Botan etc regularly meeting up to talk about the state of affairs, when Yusuke could be returning. There's no more conflict but they're all still cool.

I never really felt like the main cast in HXH had that much of a great dynamic at all. It always seemed to me they all had their own stuff to deal with, so we didn’t really get to see them that much.

In YYH they went through everything together, in HXH it’s usually someone doing their own thing most of the time and they might meet up here and there to catch up.

It seems that’s how the creator wants the story to happen, we first meet them, they go their separate ways, meet up again, now the story focuses on Gon and Killua, then it’s about the other two, etc.

It’s actually a good way to tell the story when you think about it because it’s not YYH, it’s about the viewers watching what each character is doing individually instead of as a group.
 

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I gotta bring up HXH I’m sorry

:mjlol::mjlol:
But would y’all rate it the same if not for the Chimera Ant arc?

The show’s good as a whole, but CA was what made me think so highly of the show.

Funny thing is, I’ve read online that some people had the audacity to say it wasn’t the best arc, I think I even seen someone say it was one of the worst because of the action and the arc having so many episodes.

Hunter Exam was a snooze fest, I liked YorkNew City, but not having a final fight made it so wack, Greed Island was actually better than I thought and had a great last fight, CA we already know, the last arc what was it called again Election? That one was better than the Hunter Exam to me.

YYH was flawless. The only thing bad was that it wasn’t expanded more.

:blessed: :blessed:

Ok, I’m done for now….
 

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You know this was a well articulated opinion and I was ready to agree.

The more I thought about it tho, YYH group dynamic was actually kinda weak. The cool openings of them standing around staring off into space like a boyband always made me feel that. But when I thought about it, shyts not even true forreal.

Kurama was just there, he didn't really seem to have a special connection with anyone in the main cast...or anyone at all for that matter. Just the guy Hiei apparently talks to off screen.

Hiei and Kuwabara hate each other but its played off for laughs. Yuskue and Kuwabara turned into real friends but that really seems like it. When Kuwabara left the cast it didn't seem like Hiei or Kurama ever gave a fukk.

At least the HxH cast all fukk with each Lerio being the dad/big bro to the kids yet seeming like a big clumsy ass kid to Kurapika. Gon and Killua are best friends while Leorio is terrified of Killua lowkey. Kurapika being capable and serious but softens up from Gon. They played off each other well in the short time they got together and actually care about one another.
See, that was my point. Even though they're all their own distinct entities, throughout the entire series excluding the 3 Kings arc where Kuwabara is bushed, they're a team. Loose knit at times but they're functioning as a unit towards a shared main goal that none of them can handle solo.

Outside of the initial Hunter Exam, the only team atmosphere is Gon and Killua. Leorio is a non factor & Kurapika couldn't be more of a lone wolf, breh established damn near his own agency. They might speak in passing regarding one another's well being & when Gon loses his Nen, Leorio goes to bat for him but that's it. It's Gon and Killua as the core playing off each other and developing as a result, while everyone else goes on personal journeys.

Team Urameshi is present for every pivotal moment, driving each other to develop to varying degrees from beginning to end. Togashi always features them like that for his main story beats but pulls a 180° with HxH, scattering them after the first arc. As a reader, you already know that doesn't change at all in the manga, shyt it's actually worse as the story progresses.
 

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You know this was a well articulated opinion and I was ready to agree.

The more I thought about it tho, YYH group dynamic was actually kinda weak. The cool openings of them standing around staring off into space like a boyband always made me feel that. But when I thought about it, shyts not even true forreal.

Kurama was just there, he didn't really seem to have a special connection with anyone in the main cast...or anyone at all for that matter. Just the guy Hiei apparently talks to off screen.

Hiei and Kuwabara hate each other but its played off for laughs. Yuskue and Kuwabara turned into real friends but that really seems like it. When Kuwabara left the cast it didn't seem like Hiei or Kurama ever gave a fukk.

At least the HxH cast all fukk with each Lerio being the dad/big bro to the kids yet seeming like a big clumsy ass kid to Kurapika. Gon and Killua are best friends while Leorio is terrified of Killua lowkey. Kurapika being capable and serious but softens up from Gon. They played off each other well in the short time they got together and actually care about one another.

I don't really agree with the group dynamic being weak, but rather I'd say it's definitely different. HxH really does have a familial dynamic to it where everyone supports each other from the first arc on. The relationships in YYH evolve and build from enemies to forced allies to genuinely wanting to help each other. The character growth across the arcs kinda helps develop their friendships.

Kurama and Hiei are tight because a mutual understanding that we don't get at first. Yusuke sees the humanity in Kurama right away because of his mom; but we don't learn about Hiei's sister until the Toguro Bros introduction arc.

Kurama's kinda like a more human character coming to terms with his demon side and Hiei's the reverse. Yusuke connects with both and we don't know that he's in the same boat (half human, half demon) until damn near the end of the series. But they form their bonds through fighting like demons, and loved ones like mothers and siblings.

Kuwabara is the "regular" guy trying to keep up with a bunch of demons. Hiei doesn't like him at first because he respects strength. But I think there's some implication that Kuwabara's reckless abandon to help protect Hiei's sister is where they start to go from genuine dislike to big/little bro type behavior. I don't recall much development between him and Kurama though.

The cool thing is we learn about the characters right as they reveal more to each other. So the group feels less connected at first, but we can see where their understandings start and grow. It feels like organic friendship ish. Even the side characters grow a lot...Yusuke's drunk mom and bratty boss start to feel way realer by the time they're hanging out in the crowd at the dark tournament.
 
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