What Did DJ Shadow Do With Sampling That Was so Different From Other Producers?

[Yapdatfool]

Threads like this are the booth at it's finest.
Keep dropping knowledge brehs.

I'm curious though, I was under the impression that Public Enemy and the Bomb Squad
were also pioneers of that "as many samples as possible" production style that's built
pretty much entirely out of samples from other records, or am I mistaken ?

Them and Pete Rock I thought were pioneers of that 'wall of sound' style of hip-hop beats.

 

[Mr Rager]

This is ignorant period, that album had widespread influence on the instrumental hip hop scene and particularly how hip hop producers are received as artists without being attached to a rapper. Dudes like Madlib, Dan The Automator, J Dilla, Nujabes, FlyLo and many more all took a page out of his book.

Nujabes has an entirely different sound breh

 

[Mr Rager]

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9/11 was orchestrated by the United States government to take away our liberties

 

[Mr Rager]

The album itself is a receipt. It in no small part opened up hip hop sampling to reach outside of funk records and it established instrumental hip hop albums as being more than just beat tapes.

I'm not knocking Endtroducing, and I don't have receipts atm, but I'm pretty sure DJ Shadow is not the first to make a standalone instrumental album

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The album itself is a receipt. It in no small part opened up hip hop sampling to reach outside of funk records and it established instrumental hip hop albums as being more than just beat tapes.

Its hard to grasp this in retrospect.

Imagine half the shyt you hear on SoundCloud not existing.

I mean you could say this dude created the whole pocket of sound that fostered the Soulquarians and Neo-soul...its pretty ridiculous when you think about it when you consider how influential it is.

I mean...Imagine never hearing a hip-hop album thats sample based EVER before that.

Thats pretty insane.

And then imagine in 1996 hearing that for the FIRST time

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not discrediting Endtroducing's dopeness. I'm discrediting its so-called influence on hip hop. Or him being this incredible sample-flipper in the vein or possibly ahead of a Prince Paul, Premo, Timbaland, etc (given the cac praise for Shadow). I need receipts for all this shyt.

Because anyone who's actually into hip hop and has dabbled in trip hop like myself would know that Endtroducing is more of a trip hop electronica album. In the vein of Bowery Electric like I said.



Exactly.

I think Bowery Electric, Massive Attack, Nellee Hooper and Portishead have some DOPE songs. But are they hip hop artists? Did they influence hip hop? Not even slightly.

And yes, Endtroducing was the cac college kids' album. If you were there you would know this. It still kinda is.



so you don't have a receipt. OK cool.

you can't say this though....hell dudes like Ye have outright said that Portishead influenced Late Registration:

10 Things You Didn't Know About Kanye West's 'Late Registration' - Portishead Was A Huge Influence On The Album

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

All the instrumental hip hop classics you can name from the same period (including Psychoanalysis: What Is It?) and all the hip hop albums with similar production in the same period (Dr. Octagonecologyst, Lootpack, etc.) came out after Endtroducing. Name one that came out before it and I'll drop the point.

Dan The Automator and DJ Shadow were collaborators even back then though so they more than likely influenced each other.

Its not about who does it first, its about who does it best.

Wish ya'll would understand this.

Dude just over-achieved in a lane that birthed an entire genre of backpackers.

 

[TrifeGod]

Dan The Automator>
Shadow>
Beat Junkies>
Molemen>

Some of the underground Gods of this

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Portishead has been sampled to death by a ton of hip hop acts

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Threads like this are the booth at it's finest.
Keep dropping knowledge brehs.

I'm curious though, I was under the impression that Public Enemy and the Bomb Squad
were also pioneers of that "as many samples as possible" production style that's built
pretty much entirely out of samples from other records, or am I mistaken ?

Legacy[edit]
Endtroducing..... has been frequently ranked in professional lists of the all-time greatest albums.[68] Various publications, including Q,[69] Rolling Stone,[70] Spin,[26]Pitchfork Media,[71] and Slant Magazine,[72] have placed the album in their respective lists of best albums of the 1990s. Time included Endtroducing..... in their list of the 100 greatest albums of all-time.[73] "A decade on," wrote Mojo, "DJ Shadow's affirmatory essay on record collecting as a creative endeavour has lost none of its grandeur."[74] Stephen Thomas Erlewine of AllMusic said of the album: "...it's innovative, but it builds on a solid historical foundation, giving it a rich, multi-faceted sound. It's not only a major breakthrough for hip-hop and electronica, but for pop music."[32] Will Hermes, writing in Spin, called it "trip-hop's crowning achievement".[75]

The almost entirely sampled nature of Endtroducing..... was considered groundbreaking at the time of its release, and Guinness World Records has cited the album as being the first to be created entirely from sampled sources[76] (although this isn't quite true, since the album does in fact contain some spoken-word elements recorded in the studio). The album was a driving force in the development of instrumental hip hop music, inspiring several other disc jockeys and producers to create sample-based works.[77] Tim Stelloh of PopMatters cited it as the "benchmark" for the genre.[78] Guitarist Jonny Greenwood of English alternative rock band Radiohead has cited Endtroducing..... as an influence on his band's critically acclaimed album OK Computer (1997), saying: "We liked how he was cutting up beats quite minutely."[26] Several of the artists sampled on Endtroducing..... – including British progressive rock band Nirvana and American musician David Axelrod – have praised the album.[79][80] DJ Shadow has expressed his surprise at the album's influence and high regard amongst other musicians, saying: "After the record, I'd always bump into these world-class producers who'd say, 'Yeah, Endtroducing..... – what a great piece of production.' I just did it on one sampler in a tiny little studio."[26]

Andy Battaglia of The A.V. Club suggested that the influence of Endtroducing..... may have had a negative effect on the album itself, saying that it "has been partially diluted by the symphonic beat-collage culture it helped spawn."[81] The album's acclaim set considerably high standards for future releases by DJ Shadow,[82] and he has expressed his dissatisfaction with being expected to "repeat Endtroducing..... over and over again".[83] Despite this, DJ Shadow has made it clear that he views the album in a positive light and denies any pressure that may have come about as a result of the album's praise: "...people always seem to suggest that there's this pressure, and that Endtroducing..... is some kind of albatross, and I've just honestly never felt that way. I think that I have a healthy enough respect for the lineage of the music and how rare it is that you can connect with an audience. If that will always be 'the record' then so be it, that's cool."[84] As of April 26, 2005, Endtroducing..... has sold upwards of 290,000 copies in the United States alone.[43]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Them and Pete Rock I thought were pioneers of that 'wall of sound' style of hip-hop beats.

You gotta remember though...no one rapped on Shadow's shyt

And no one did a FULL ALBUM of that stuff...that sounded GREAT. He wasn't "the first"...but he created this sonic space where no one could rap over it, but it wasn't meant to be rapped over.

Dude pioneered that whole instrumental album in hip-hop lane. It wasn't just for beat-making, it was for making new songs themselves.

Then add to the low-wave nature of the album, thats a completely fukking innovative vibe that I don't think really existed before that in the mainstream

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did anyone rap over Endtroducing? Thinking bout doing a mix.

Think about this.

It wasn't MEANT to be rapped over.

Thats what made it so innovative.

Its literally not made with the intention of having other rappers on top of it....


Again...its hard to get people to understand how things were before dude kinda put this out there. You could make stuff LIKE it...but it'd always have that sonic pocket for artists to go on top of it....this just was not made with artists in mind.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

All that low-wave junkie sounding enlightened mood music with a hip-hop tint that solely instrumental based?

DJ Shadow.

 

[mobbinfms]

Who gives A fukk about DJ Shadow? Entroducing is the quintessential 90s cac college kid album. It's barely a 'hip hop' album. It's more of an electronica trip hop album. Like some shyt Bowery Electric were doing back in the day.

That's not to knock Shadow. I've heard Entroducing before. It just seems to have no bearing on hip hop culture. The only time I ever hear about Shadow are from cacs with cursory hip hop knowledge.

He was unsigned hype in the Source back when they mattered.

 

[10bandz]

who?

Says the guy who idolizes AsapRocky