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What "intangible" IT factor is J. Cole missing that Drake seems to have?
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The Prince of All Saiyans
Formerly Jisoo Stan & @Twitter
pander* to females.
I dont see him having a crew TBHIs that it? I keep wondering why nobody on his crew stopped him from putting Wet Dreamz on the album. Like, why the fukk would your fans want to listen to a whole song about you losing your virginity?
But yea, he makes songs liek that cause he gets a lot of praise for "keeping it real". But that is only valuable if you have some perspective to offer.
onelastdeath
Banned
turns nikkas into females too. he has male fans who salivate over him more than female fans.
im not een saying da club tho
Im saying life in general
Drake says sht that nikkaz can relate to
sht like
"she gon be uupset if she keep scrolling to the left dawg"
I remember when my homegirl(dyke) used that line when she was talm bout shorty she was dealin wit
I was like
same as any other entertainment product (tv shows, books, whatever)
some people prefer an unfamiliar experience outside of their own bracket
some people prefer an familiar experience that they can relate to like a companion/friend
depending on where you stand, an entertainment product either has "it" or they don't
some people prefer an unfamiliar experience outside of their own bracket
some people prefer an familiar experience that they can relate to like a companion/friend
depending on where you stand, an entertainment product either has "it" or they don't
2manyFCKNrappers
mentally i measure kilos
J. Cole can't see past himself.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Nikka no, no nikka. You know nothing about song writing or lyricism if you actually think Cole is better lyrically than Drake. They've both been on tracks together where Drake's had better verses. Comparing the top 20 verses in their catalogs Drake wins. Are you trying to tell me Cole has a better flow than Drake? Nikka Cole can't double time to save his life, Drake rides beats much better and has way more versatile flows. I guess we can argue lyrics, but flow is not arguable.nikka what? Drake ain't no goddamn better rapper than Cole. Off pure lyrical ability? and flow?
Drake hasn't said anything cold in years. Cole raps circles around Drake, so does Kendrick. Drake just has a bigger appeal, better production, and he's more versatile. But as far as pure rap? Drake's lower echelon.
I love it when people try to make it seem like Drizzy is some lyrical messiah, when his tracks show otherwiseDrake is an average rapper. And an above average artist. Isn't the once in a generation artist that nikkas make him out to be. The only once in a generation artist we've seen with the new nikkas is Kendrick. You can make another Drake. Can't make another Kendrick.
Drake's stans keep him hot though. Even though he lacks classic music, he has enough people cosigning his garbage, that EVENTUALLY. people will be convinced its hot.
Drake hasn't said anything cold in years? This is coming from you his biggest hater that's a god damn lie, Pound Cake wasn't cold lyrically? Tuscan Leather wasn't cold lyrically? From Time wasn't cold lyrically?
Done sayin' I'm done playin'
Last time was on the outro
Stuck in the house, need to get out more
I've been stackin' up like I'm fundraising
Most people in my position get complacent
Wanna come places with star girls, and they end up on them front pages
I'm quiet with it, I just ride with it
Moment I stop having fun with it, I'll be done with it
I'm the only one that's putting shots up
And like a potluck, you need to come with it
Don't run from it, like H-Town in the summertime, I keep it 100
Met a lot of girls in my times there, word to Paul Wall, not one fronted
I was birthed there in my first year, man I know that place like I come from it
Backstage at Warehouse in '09 like "Is Bun coming?
fukk that, is anyone comin' 'fore I show up there and there's no one there?"
These days, I could probably pack it for like twenty nights if I go in there
Back rub from my main thing, I've been stressed out
Talkin' to her like back then they didn't want me, I'm blessed now
Talkin' to her like this drop, bet a million copies get pressed out
She tell me, "Take a deep breath, you're too worried about being the best out"
This is a great verse, very well written the Paul Wall line would probably fly over most people's heads. The whole verse is about Drake dealing with his personal demons, complacency, hard work, recalling his first show in Houston where he feared people wouldn't attend and Bun B would no show to perform Uptown. The rest of the track gets into his family in Memphis and his mother. How is this trash, how can a nikka not feel this?
As for Drake being once in a generation, other than Lauryn Hill I've never seen an artist do the sing/rap thing as well. I haven't seen it before and I probably won't see it in the future. There aren't Drake clones, he's original Cole not so much.
Drake has more classic music than Cole though, there's tracks from So Far Gone that get played to this day, that's the definition of classic, standing the test of time, being bumped almost 6 years later. Take Care has plenty of classic songs critically acclaimed by several publications, it's MetaCritic score is higher than any Cole album since you like to talk MetaCritic and again it's an album that still gets good burn years later, and has made lists from Complex calling it one of this generations classics.
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't have nearly identical fan bases.
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't basically rap about the same things, Cole talks a bit more about social issues but for the most part the vast majority of his subject matter is ladies and his come up.
Why are you acting like Cole appeals to blacks, and Drake appeals to cacs when Drake is hotter in the streets and definitely has more black fans than just about any artist.
Why are you acting like Drake is just for the b*tches, when I know females that are OBSESSED with Cole they find him handsome and love how relatable he is, and how he makes songs like Lost Ones. Cole panders to females his biggest hits are Power Trip and Work Out. His mixtapes were littered with chick songs talking girl of my dreams, baby mommas, ex-girlfriends and the like.
Also, you one of those doom and gloom rap is dying ass nikkas, like the quality of rap from 2006-2010 is that much better if better at all then the quality of rap from 2010-2014. Like the Grammy's were ever a serious thing in hip hop you know we were boycotting that shyt decades ago, you know Eminem was sweeping Grammy's without deserving them. Dude said Drake is one of the reasons hip hop is dying.
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onelastdeath
Banned
Nikka no, no nikka. You know nothing about song writing or lyricism if you actually think Cole is better lyrically than Drake. They've both been on tracks together where Drake's had better verses. Comparing the top 20 verses in their catalogs Drake wins. Are you trying to tell me Cole has a better flow than Drake? Nikka Cole can't double time to save his life, Drake rides beats much better and has way more versatile flows. I guess we can argue lyrics, but flow is not arguable.
Drake hasn't said anything cold in years? This is coming from you his biggest hater that's a god damn lie, Pound Cake wasn't cold lyrically? Tuscan Leather wasn't cold lyrically?
Done sayin' I'm done playin'
Last time was on the outro
Stuck in the house, need to get out more
I've been stackin' up like I'm fundraising
Most people in my position get complacent
Wanna come places with star girls, and they end up on them front pages
I'm quiet with it, I just ride with it
Moment I stop having fun with it, I'll be done with it
I'm the only one that's putting shots up
And like a potluck, you need to come with it
Don't run from it, like H-Town in the summertime, I keep it 100
Met a lot of girls in my times there, word to Paul Wall, not one fronted
I was birthed there in my first year, man I know that place like I come from it
Backstage at Warehouse in '09 like "Is Bun coming?
fukk that, is anyone comin' 'fore I show up there and there's no one there?"
These days, I could probably pack it for like twenty nights if I go in there
Back rub from my main thing, I've been stressed out
Talkin' to her like back then they didn't want me, I'm blessed now
Talkin' to her like this drop, bet a million copies get pressed out
She tell me, "Take a deep breath, you're too worried about being the best out"
This is a great verse, very well written the Paul Wall line would probably fly over most people's heads. The whole verse is about Drake dealing with his personal demons, complacency, hard work, recalling his first show in Houston where he feared people wouldn't attend and Bun B would no show to perform Uptown. The rest of the track gets into his family and Memphis and mother. How is this trash, how can a nikka not feel this?
As for Drake being once in a generation, other than Lauryn Hill I've never seen an artist do the sing/rap thing as well. I haven't seen it before and I probably won't see it in the future. There aren't Drake clones, he's original Cole not so much.
Drake has more classic music than Cole though, there's tracks from So Far Gone that get played to this day, that's the definition of classic, standing the test of time, being bumped almost 6 years later. Take Care has plenty of classic songs critically acclaimed by several publications, it's MetaCritic score is higher than any Cole album since you like to talk MetaCritic and again it's an album that still gets good burn years later, and has made lists from Complex calling it one of this generations classics.
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't have nearly identical fan bases.
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't basically rap about the same things, Cole talks a bit more about social issues but for the most part the vast majority of his subject matter is ladies and his come up.
Why are you acting like Cole appeals to blacks, and Drake appeals to cacs when Drake is hotter in the streets and definitely has more black fans than just about any artist.
Why are you acting like Drake is just for the b*tches, when I know females that are OBSESSED with Cole they find him handsome and love how relatable he is, and how he makes songs like Lost Ones. Cole panders to females his biggest hits are Power Trip and Work Out. His mixtapes were littered with chick songs talking girl of my dreams, baby mommas, ex-girlfriends and the like.
Also, you one of those doom and gloom rap is dying ass nikkas, like the quality of rap from 2006-2010 is that much better if better at all then the quality of rap from 2010-2014. Like the Grammy's were ever a serious thing in hip hop you know we were boycotting that shyt decades ago, you know Eminem was sweeping Grammy's without deserving them. Dude said Drake is one of the reasons hip hop is dying.
No lie, some of the biggest dikksuckery I've ever seen on this site when it comes to Drake. My God nikka
No classic albums. Nothing of substance. Just indirect bragging and bytches. Enjoy breh.
I'm a "hater" when I said plenty of times that I know this mans catalog front and back and been listening to him since 07. sure.
Any nikka who ain't 100% down with OVO blowbang is a "hater" now
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
It doesn't matter what you listened to, you still a hater you over here writing bullsh*t essays breh c'monNo lie, some of the biggest dikksuckery I've ever seen on this site when it comes to Drake. My God nikka
No classic albums. Nothing of substance. Just indirect bragging and bytches. Enjoy breh.
I'm a "hater" when I said plenty of times that I know this mans catalog front and back and been listening to him since 07. sure.
How about you actually try to counter my points breh
Drake's music has a certain atmosphere to it and it leans toward more R&B; a majority of his last album was soft sounding. Also he sings a lot more than he raps.
Basically, he makes R&B that guys can fukk with
onelastdeath
Banned
I don't know to many people who really believe that Drake is a better MC than Cole. Songwriter? I'll take that. Singer? Absolutely, No Debate. But a better lyricist? Never. It's just not true. Cole has MULTIPLE FLOWS. And different speeds and tempos he can spit in, evident on FHD. Look at this shyt
This nikka uses this same FLOW for every song, and he got you nikkas really debating like its something diferent. Ol', "let me stretch out my words, so I aint gotta put in any effort" ass nikka. C'mon B. Just stop. Every nikka who ain't down with OVO BLOWBANG BUKKAKE isn't a hater. Because I still bump some of his work to this day, but his new shyt is
Yall nikkas just scared to say it Is that a great verse? REALLY? My nikka are you joking. That's kid shyt. He didn't say ANYTHING. AT ALL. Nothing of merit. NO BARS. Nothing that you gotta rewind and say ""
did he just say that"" all this shyt here is just nursery bullshyt. That Cole line on "FireSquad" and the other one on "January 28th" shyt on everything Drake has sad in the last 3 years. The bar where he said "Im so ahead of my time, even when I think about the future I be reminscing" and then the other one where he said "Cole is the hyponotist, control the game whenever he snap"" its shyt like that, that you dont get with Drake. Lyricism isnt up for debate. Yall nikkas call EVERYTHING Drake says is hot. He has some memorable bars. EARLY ON in his career. Quotables are NOT BARS. That's hashtag bullshyt. "She gone get upset if she keep scrolling to the left" and "nikkas wanna do it we can do it on they turf" are NOT BARS. those are quotables. Hashtag bullshyt. Not fukking bars.UMM?
Missy Elliot
Lauryn Hill
Mos Def
Ja Rule
Pharell?
Drake ain't no goddamn original. Drake is a biracial Ja Rule, in a better generation to be a biracial Ja Rule. I never said Cole was once ina generation. Kendrick is. And some of you nikkas really try to debate that Drizzy fukking with KDOT TOO
I don't know ANYONE, who has labeled any of Drake's albums classics who arent' OVO BLOWBANG BUKKAKE members. Its widely noted that he doesnt have any certified classics. With all the hype, and all the praise, and all the cosigns, at the peak of his prowess, with all that support, he still aint got ONE CLASSIC. Not one thats certified. His highest metacritic is what? 78? FAR LOWER THAN KENDRICK, Lower than YG, and then theres MF's who try to compare him to Ye', but we'll save that for another day
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't have nearly identical fan bases.
Why are you acting like Cole and Drake don't basically rap about the same things, Cole talks a bit more about social issues but for the most part the vast majority of his subject matter is ladies and his come up.
Why are you acting like Cole appeals to blacks, and Drake appeals to cacs when Drake is hotter in the streets and definitely has more black fans than just about any artist.
Cole does appeal to blacks more, because he talks about black issues more. That alone is enough for black folks to buy his albums. They don't rap about the same shyt. Drake could never have a song like Love Yourz. Drake's music is for himself. He aint never had some motivational shyt. Not since he got on anyway. Drake's music is a teenage journal. To say he and cole Rap about the same shyt is a joke. I can't even picture Drizzy spittin something like that Love Yourz shyt. The problem with you Drake stans is that yall dont wanna take him as he is. Like yeah, he's a good artist, but hes damn sure not a GREAT artist. He's a great entertainer. As far as the appeal goes. But his artistry is not great. He aint got one album on any of the top 20-30 albums of the decade. And he's debuted, and enjoyed most of his success this decade. TML, TC, NWTS, none of them are lauded as classics. You guys wanna pretend he's Prince or something, but the dude isnt. He's solid most of the time. and trash the other half. He's not great though. Maybe he will be one day, but not yet :blackye:
Yeah he had songs like that, but he also had songs like Dollar And A Dream. and "I Get Up" talking about real shyt. Drake doesn't. That's his biggest flaw. It's okay to have your singles be about bytches, I aint mad at that, but his albums are just one long song. about the same shyt. over and over. and then when someone points it out, the Drake BUKKAKE army comes out and attacks. Dude is alright. That about it. He aint with Ye', He aint with Kendrick, he's the echelon 2 steps down, even with all the support.
It wasnt?
How many classic albums have we had this decade that haven't come from Kendrick or Kanye Rap in general in that span, You got King by T.I, Tha Carter 3, Graduation, American Gangster, and so on and so on.
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Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
It would be interesting to see J cole and KRIT team up for an album.
Both lack where the other shines. It's like where this two artist lack isn't necessarily weak but it has fully blossomed yet. I think cole can bring out lyricism/story diversity that's bubbling under KRIT and KRIT bring out the that melodic/sonically theme that bubbling under Cole.
Both lack where the other shines. It's like where this two artist lack isn't necessarily weak but it has fully blossomed yet. I think cole can bring out lyricism/story diversity that's bubbling under KRIT and KRIT bring out the that melodic/sonically theme that bubbling under Cole.
enjoy that Stale Bread sandwich Cole is forcing you backpackers to carry aroundNo lie, some of the biggest dikksuckery I've ever seen on this site when it comes to Drake. My God nikka
No classic albums. Nothing of substance. Just indirect bragging and bytches. Enjoy breh.
I'm a "hater" when I said plenty of times that I know this mans catalog front and back and been listening to him since 07. sure.
Any nikka who ain't 100% down with OVO blowbang is a "hater" now
