What is Black British culture?

[IcemanCometh]

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[K.O.N.Y]

But the sound would not be possible without the invention of the instrument itself. It’s an equally important component.

And you’re right, instruments come from all over but unless you can prove AA’s invented the saxophone itself, then you can always make the argument of foreign influence in the genre itself.

You see where I’m going with this?

I await another post from you moving the goal post.

instruments make sounds
Musicians make MUSIC. Its what makes them MUSICians. Genres are created through different sonic directions in MUSIC. Its what musicians do with instruments is the pivotal point.

The creative process is the key

 

[yates]

That history is a fallacious fake claim on our music made by cacs. It's a completely narrarative

Not endorsing anything you said in your previous post.

Just stating the fact that it was a Belgian cac who invented the saxophone breh.

It is what it is.

 

[yates]

instruments make sounds
Musicians make MUSIC. Its what makes them MUSICians. Genres are created through different sonic directions in MUSIC. Its what musicians do with instruments is the pivotal point.

The creative process is the key

The sound would not exist without the instrument. It doesn’t matter how you try to rationalise it or minimise that fact.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Terrible slang, tracksuits and rappers that can’t flow on beat.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The sound would not exist without the instrument. It doesn’t matter how you try to rationalise it or minimise that fact.

No genre would exist without musicians. Genres use a range of instruments, are you going to sit here and tell me all those countries have to be credited
without absolutely no artistic contribution

The banjo is afram created. And has a big sonic influence on country music

It was not the sounds that make it afram music. It was the sonics of the blues/country blues, spirituals,patterns etc.

without this it wouldnt be afram just off the merits of the banjo

 

[yates]

No genre would exist without musicians. Genres use a range of instruments, are you going to sit here and tell me all those countries have to be credited
without absolutely no artistic contribution

The banjo is afram created. And has a big sonic influence on country music

It was not the sounds that make it afram music. It was the sonics of the blues/country blues, spirituals,patterns etc.

without this it wouldnt be afram just off the merits of the banjo

You're not getting my point.

At the end of the day, using foreign instruments in your music is foreign influence whether you want to accept it or not.

Does that now make Jazz music a Belgian invention? Of course not, I'm simply using your rhetoric against you.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

You're not getting my point.

At the end of the day, using foreign instruments in your music is foreign influence whether you want to accept it or not.

Does that now make Jazz music a Belgian invention? Of course not, I'm simply using your rhetoric against you.

No you are not

@IllmaticDelta was pointing out direct influence that were coming from actual Genres. Music that influenced sonic and creative direction.

That other shyt is reaching beyond belief

The length nikkas go

 

[yates]

No you are not

@IllmaticDelta was pointing out direct influence that were coming from actual Genres. Music that influenced sonic and creative direction.

That other shyt is reaching beyond belief

The length nikkas go

Lol and does the instrument not influence the music ?

You're trying to extricate musical instruments from music itself when the two are codependent.

 

[315]

No you are not

@IllmaticDelta was pointing out direct influence that were coming from actual Genres. Music that influenced sonic and creative direction.

That other shyt is reaching beyond belief

The length nikkas go

That's like saying trap music is Japanese influenced because the 808 came from Japan

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Lol and does the instrument not influence the music ?

You're trying to extricate musical instruments from music itself when the two are codependent.

Iol the country or person the instrument comes from has no direct creative output. Its the musicians

The examples are clear instances of tangible music influence coming from genres an actual musicians

You are combating this

With an extremely petty case of off hand influences. The two are not even on the same level

 

[yates]

That's like saying trap music is Japanese influenced because the 808 came from Japan

Yh thats the point im making. It would be stupid to say but there still wouldn't be trap music without the 808.

So there a people that will argue that. It is indirect influence but influence nonetheless.

So can i now discredit AA's from trap music because of it they way yall are discrediting dancehall/reggae/afrobeats from africans and caribbeans ?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You’re doing way too much bro.

Im just stating facts

It’s very difficult to find any form of culture across the globe that hasn’t had external influence.

it's not hard to find genres that are the product of a more insular focus w/o outside influences

I could easily say that jazz music was influenced by Europeans since the saxophone and other instruments that are prominent in the genre was invented by Europeans.

we all heard what the music sounded like from europeans played on typical military instruments...it doesn't sound like jazz



plus, jazz can be played on any instrument

 

[yates]

Iol the country or person the instrument comes from has no direct creative output. Its the musicians

The examples are clear instances of tangible music influence coming from genres an actual musicians

You are combating this

With an extremely petty case of off hand influences. The two are not even on the same level

Nah, you're just moving goal posts. The sound the instrument makes is still creative output by the person who invented it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No you are not

@IllmaticDelta was pointing out direct influence that were coming from actual Genres. Music that influenced sonic and creative direction.

That other shyt is reaching beyond belief

The length nikkas go

exactly...it's about the musical vocab and how an instrument is used, not the instrument itself