What is Black British culture?

[yates]

Im just stating facts



it's not hard to find genres that are the product of a more insular focus w/o outside influences



we all heard what the music sounded like from europeans played on typical military instruments...it doesn't sound like jazz



plus, jazz can be played on any instrument

Lol this doesn't refute what ive said. They still invented the instrument so by your logic can claim influence of Jazz the same way youre claiming influence on other genres.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yh thats the point im making. It would be stupid to say but there still wouldn't be trap music without the 808.

you can make the trap (rolling triplet hihats) with real drums

So there a people that will argue that. It is indirect influence but influence nonetheless.

So can i now discredit AA's from trap music because of it they way yall are discrediting dancehall/reggae/afrobeats from africans and caribbeans ?

there is a difference between instrumentation and vocals and the musical vocab used with a particular instrument or vocalization by a specific group

 

[eastsideTT]

from the US but from what I remember as a kid, right before Grime started to take off, was

- drum and bass
- pirate radio
- UK Garage
- patois
- tracksuits & reboks

also...this was in the 90s..brits seemed way more open minded musically and way less segregated as a whole. consumerism and commercialism didnt define their whole culture, compared to how it made up essentially ALL of American culture at the time. much more of a DIY attitude when it came to everything. i dunno.

heavily island influenced and a lot of what was happening in London in the 90s / early 2000s was also happening in Toronto. i feel like Toronto was the closest we got to London culutre in North America. not so much anymore...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lol this doesn't refute what ive said. They still invented the instrument so by your logic can claim influence of Jazz the same way youre claiming influence on other genres.

no. see my last post and

 

[yates]

you can make the trap (rolling triplet hihats) with real drums



there is a difference between instrumentation and vocals and the musical vocab used with a particular instrument or vocalization by a specific group

And was the drum not invented by africans ?

Lol yall just being deliberately obtuse man.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The sound would not exist without the instrument. It doesn’t matter how you try to rationalise it or minimise that fact.

jazz sound would exist w/o instruments because it's a vocab translated from afram vocal practices to actual intsruments

 

[yates]

no. see my last post and

Okay and did AA's invent any of the instruments used in this video?

 

[Blessings]

UK got they little thing going on , this my joint, if man can't vibe to this man got issues , that's how they be talkin over there

track rides

 

[yates]

jazz sound would exist w/o instruments because it's a vocab translated from afram vocal practices to actual intsruments

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And was the drum not invented by africans ?

not...the drum kit. That's afram creation

That's another percussion instrument, so to speak, that was developed in the U.S., where the person is playing with feet and hands, incorporating all the limbs just like the drumset. It's an African polyrhythmic concept and it was eventually applied to the drumset, which is the only percussion instrument in the world that uses all four limbs. So in effect, the slaves being deprived of hand drums set the stage for the African American community to embrace the drumset. Without hand drums they were forced to adapt to the European percussion instruments that were available in the1800s, the snare drum and the bass drum, so they were comfortable with the individual instruments that would make up the drumset. I find it real interesting that basically the invention of the drum set is the invention of the bass drum pedal. After that happened in the late 1800s, basically the drum set wasn't used for any other purpose than playing jazz, which was a creation of the African American community. So when people first played the drumset they wanted to play with that concept -- one person playing a snare drum and a bass drum with that African American swing rhythmic concept. The drumset could've just as easily been used in a symphony orchestra but it wasn't. It had some applications in, say, vaudeville and maybe a few situations here and there other than jazz but they never took off as playing concepts. The playing concept that we now take for granted is essentially an African American concept of how to use the instrument. This concept has been so thoroughly assimilated into the culture that most people don't even think about it or question how it came to be. Today the drumset is an instrument that's been accepted all over the world but it is quintessentially a U.S. instrument that developed from our unique history and culture.

Steve Smith :: Confessions of a U.S. Ethnic Drummer (part 1)

Lol yall just being deliberately obtuse man.

Im being factual

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

@Art Barr they talm bout House music

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

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[yates]

not...the drum kit. That's afram creation




Steve Smith :: Confessions of a U.S. Ethnic Drummer (part 1)



Im being factual

Thats actually a nice bit of education there. I like reading about things like that. Proud of it.






Still a drum tho lol.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

it's true

A. Tone Colors



Jazz musicians play their instruments utilizing the complete gamut of tone colors (tonal quality) that their instruments will allow.


B. Emotional Expression



Unlike classical players who usually strive for a clear, “pure” tone, jazz players strive for a tone that is generally more “vocal” in nature, i.e., jazz musicians will bend pitches, “growl,” “whine,” play “raunchy,” “dark,” “light,” “airy,” “raspy,” “bluesy,” “throaty,” “nasally” (anything the human voice can do to express emotion and then some) in addition to playing clearly.

http://www.jazzinamerica.org/LessonPlan/11/2/158

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Nah, you're just moving goal posts. The sound the instrument makes is still creative output by the person who invented it.

Breh music is interpretation of sound. Manipulation made by musicians
Its not reasonable to say that jazz as a genre has "european" influences off the strength of one instrument.

How do we define "European" influence in the first place?