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The 2nd westside connection album wasn't that bad though.
What keeps Ice Cube from being labeled the GOAT rap artist?
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The 2nd westside connection album wasn't that bad though.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
I think he is to some.
He's in my top 5.
But keep in mind there's an entire generation, maybe two, who him for his family friendly or comedy movies.
He's in my top 5.
But keep in mind there's an entire generation, maybe two, who him for his family friendly or comedy movies.
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
2 definitely and maybe a 3rd
This and this, coupled with the fact that in 2016 most fans and critics don't seem to care about rap released prior to 1994.
MidnightMercenary
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That's cool. I got his first 2 solos very high on my list but I know that I wouldn't put a third on there.
Jack Trippa 3z company ho
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Mostly because of the beats and WC. Cube was ehh on there, but yeah def better than any of his solos since Lethal Injection.
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Cube in his prime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Inspect Her Deck
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Cube was by far the most devastating rapper in his prime.
The only other rappers who were just as ruthless in their primes are Ghostface Killah (who had a longer period of success) and Redman.
The only other rappers who were just as ruthless in their primes are Ghostface Killah (who had a longer period of success) and Redman.
Palm Tree's & Blunts
Big timah timah
I'm glad he evolved and didn't lost in his gangster persona. Plus those movies are funny.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Nas has rapped over more legendary beats period. I think we can agree DJ Premier, Q-Tip, Havoc, Extra P, Trackmasters work aged better than the BS. Even post-IWW he rhymed over plenty of great production you're running with a bullshyt narrative, Nas put out good albums after IWW. The Lost Tapes has some of the best production of any album that came out in the 2000's and arguably better than any Cube album.
There's other West Coast lyricists that are more complex with it. Like you said Pac, Kurupt, Ras Kass, members of Hieroglyphics like Del and Souls of Mischief. The point is though Cube just isn't as good lyrically he's not as nasty with it just reading lyrics off paper one can see that. Cube's strengths are his strong voice, storytelling, concepts, content. His rhyme schemes, vocabulary, word play are basic. Especially compared to other lyricists at the G.O.A.T. level like Nas or Hov. Nas made a powerful album while still being "complex" with Untitled. Nas also never sharked other nikkas lyrical styles like Cube is accused of.
No, he has arguably three I've seen Stillmatic called a classic plenty of times. The album has plenty of classic and top tier tracks (2nd Childhood, Ether, The Flyest, One Mic, Destroy & Rebuild).
Predator is not better than Stillmatic, Lost Tapes, God's Son...
Did you just say The Predator is up there with Illmatic production wise?
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I think that's nonsense, there's a bunch of rappers that have claims of being in a top 20...
If Cube ain't at least in your top 20 you don't have no business listening HipHop music period.
2Pac
Nas
Scarface
Biggie
Rakim
KRS-One
Big Daddy Kane
LL Cool J
Kool G Rap
AZ
Slick Rick
Ghostface
Raekwon
Jay Z
Chuck D
Big Pun
Guru
Common
Cormega
Bizzy Bone
There's 20 rappers just there that could be in a conversation, not that they should be above or below Cube but it's a choice and a preference, there's no way any of those would be out of place... People need to realise it's a preference and people will differ and it's not neccesarily a case of being right or wrong, that's like saying there's under 20 great Hip Hop artists which I disagree with...
And didn't even mention others who I've seen or could be in a conversation such as...
Prodigy
Kool Moe Dee
Z-Ro
Q Tip
Melle Mel
K-Rino
Pharohe Monch
Brother Ali
Talib Kweli
Slug
Fat Joe
Big L
Andre 3000
Canibus
Jadakiss
Ras Kass
Tragedy Khadafi
Chino XL
Wise Intelligent
Grand Puba
Jeru Tha Damaja
If talking most iconic or biggest Cube guranteed to be there, but best is subjective and there could be many many MC's that would be worthy on a list.
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Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
Nas has rapped over more legendary beats period. Even post-IWW he rhymed over plenty of great production you're running with a bullshyt narrative, Nas put out good albums after IWW. The Lost Tapes has some of the best production of any album that came out in the 2000's and arguably better than any Cube album.
There's other West Coast lyricists that are more complex with it. Like you said Pac, Kurupt, Ras Kass, members of Hieroglyphics like Del and Souls of Mischief. The point is though Cube just isn't as good lyrically he's not as nasty with it just reading lyrics off paper one can see that. Cube's strengths are his strong voice, storytelling, concepts, content. His rhyme schemes, vocabulary, word play are basic. Especially compared to other lyricists at the G.O.A.T. level like Nas or Hov.
No, he has arguably three I've seen Stillmatic called a classic plenty of times. The album has plenty of classic and top tier tracks (2nd Childhood, Ether, The Flyest, One Mic, Destroy & Rebuild).
Predator is not better than Stillmatic, Lost Tapes, God's Son...
Did you just say The Predator is up there with Illmatic production wise?
2/4 songs had good beats, the other 2 not so much. But production is subjective, so let's get off that topic because it doesn't prove anything. You're the only one who'll say Nas had better beats than Cube throughout the discographies.
Yeah there are some West Coast MCs that are more complex but for the most part it isn't in most artists' DNA on that side. Plus as I said that isn't his purpose. Cube has done some slick rapping stuff before like on The Bomb or The Grand Finale (DOC's song). Complexity does not necessarily factor into how good a lyricist one is. Chuck D was never super technical. Scarface was never super technical. You gonna call them lesser lyricists because of it?
The Predator is more of a classic than Stillmatic and any Nas album not named Illmatic. Hell even IWW has been debated at times. At least Cube has 2 UNQUESTIONABLE classics.
Nas or HOV (especially Reasonable Doubt HOV) or Prodigy or whoever may appear more lyrical because they are more poetically-astute, which means their expression involves capitalising upon many rhetorical devices and poetic techniques. But in the balance between lyricism and technicality, that makes them better technicians in rap, not necessarily lyricists.
When something as deeply artistic for evoking emotion exists, as it does in Cube's raps, you cannot call him an inferior lyricist. He's one of the greatest.
Be delusional brehs.
MidnightMercenary
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tbh Stillmatic is pretty overrated. It does have some fantastic songs such as 2nd Childhood, One Mic or Rewind, but it's also got some bullshyt like My Country
Production has its ups and downs (2nd Childhood's beat is amazing while Ether's isn't that good)
I'd say it isn't a classic.
Production has its ups and downs (2nd Childhood's beat is amazing while Ether's isn't that good)
I'd say it isn't a classic.
