What Stopped Bone Thugs Being on the Same Level as Wu Tang was..

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If the the narrative has been created around certain privileged acts over 20 years,creating an illusion of dominance or elitism despite their lack luster sales in comparison then yes legacies can be created like that. And looks who's hosting Peter RosenSLOB. It's clear what's going on here.

The co-host is MURS, a west coast artist. C'mon son. I get that some of you are BONE fans and an east coast bias did exist for a large chunk of the 90's but 45,000 people didn't see Wu-Tang in Cali due to that, 20+ years after the fact. Especially not when the west had an entire movement to counter the east coast during the bias.

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I'm gonna weigh in on this. I'm a fan of both groups.

BONE sold more records but they never transcended music. If you want to keep the conversation strictly music based I guess you can stop reading here.

BONE is a rap group, Wu is an entire movement. People were running around with Wu tattooed on their faces, crazy shyt like that. They had video games and comic books. They had an entire successful clothing line.

When Marvel made "Ironman" they didn't sue Ghost....they called him up and asked if he wanted to be in the movie. Because of his album and alias. "True Detective" season 1 was one of the best dramas of 2015 and the best shot scene of the year from that series....a 6 minute tracking shot....was set to a Wu-Tang song from 1993.

Earlier in the '00's MTV paid Ghost just to talk.



Other people have mentioned RZA scoring movies, Method Man being on "The Wire", GZA lecturing universities and doing interviews with Neil DeGrasse Tyson, etc.

BONE has nothing like any of that. And that's fine. But all that shyt contributes to the legacy of a group, beyond what they sold 20 years ago. Which is why BONE is opening for Wu. It's not rocket science. And the funny thing is RTB was originally built around Wu-Tang Clan. It exists more or less solely because of them. Nobody is starting an entire tour franchise based around BONE, let's be real here.

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Wrong,Wu was hoisted up and made more important than they actually were through east coast bias media.
It was a big help to them and other east coasters
 

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The co-host is MURS, a west coast artist. C'mon son. I get that some of you are BONE fans and an east coast bias did exist for a large chunk of the 90's but 45,000 people didn't see see Wu-Tang in Cali due to that, 20+ years after the fact. Especially not when the west had an entire movement to counter the east coast during the bias.

Fred.
Wrong. First off Bone is not from the west and 2pac was complaining about west coast radio not being as loyal to the west coast as the east coast was to the east back in 1996 and this is 2pac a mother fukkin don saying this. not some obscure bum complaining.
 

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The co-host is MURS, a west coast artist. C'mon son. I get that some of you are BONE fans and an east coast bias did exist for a large chunk of the 90's but 45,000 people didn't see see Wu-Tang in Cali due to that, 20+ years after the fact. Especially not when the west had an entire movement to counter the east coast during the bias.

Fred.

So Wutuang made a resurgance because people luved they personalitys like George Foreman, and they all over tv now selling grills....That don't make you prime Ali,that done make you Bone in they prime:pachaha:

Its weird Wutang vs Bone is the only debate where people don't want to argue prime vs prime,when both groups were active at the same time:jbhmm:...But yall don't think that's a narrative switch? Nobody is asking why was KRS or Rakim never on Ice Cubes level and using what Ice-Cube is doing right now as evidence:dahell:? Prime vs prime is argued in every scenario I've ever seen on here except when it comes to Wu vs Bone?Thats why I cant let yall dicate the argument.
 

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So Wutuang made a resurgance because people luved they personalitys like George Foreman, and they all over tv now selling grills....That don't make you prime Ali,that done make you Bone in they prime:pachaha:

Its weird Wutang vs Bone is the only debate where people don't want to argue prime vs prime,when both groups were active at the same time:jbhmm:...But yall don't think that's a narrative switch? Nobody is asking why was KRS or Rakim never on Ice Cubes level and using what Ice-Cube is doing right now as evidence:dahell:? Prime vs prime is argued in every scenario I've ever seen on here except when it comes to Wu vs Bone?Thats why I cant let yall dicate the argument.

So what do you wanna talk about, prime vs. prime? It's already established that Bone sold more than Wu in their primes. Did they make better music? That's subjective. I don't think so. It's basically whose music you preferred to listen to more. Wu were big in the 90's, Bone were big in the 90's. Wu sold alot of records, Bone sold more. Again...all you have is that Bone sold more records, which they did. Nobody is arguing that. But selling records is not sole indication that you are a better artist or had a more lasting and powerful legacy.
 

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So Wutuang made a resurgance because people luved they personalitys like George Foreman, and they all over tv now selling grills....That don't make you prime Ali,that done make you Bone in they prime:pachaha:

Its weird Wutang vs Bone is the only debate where people don't want to argue prime vs prime,when both groups were active at the same time:jbhmm:...But yall don't think that's a narrative switch? Nobody is asking why was KRS or Rakim never on Ice Cubes level and using what Ice-Cube is doing right now as evidence:dahell:? Prime vs prime is argued in every scenario I've ever seen on here except when it comes to Wu vs Bone?Thats why I cant let yall dicate the argument.

I said "if you want to argue strictly music" then yes, their prime would matter. But a gang of shyt independent of music has raised Wu's visibility over the last 20 years, to the point that they have a whole concert series built around them, and BONE is performing under them.

And yes, if KRS was opening for Cube then there's a ton of factors that would contribute to that wholly separate from their music. It wouldn't be a surprise, and who sold what 25+ years ago wouldn't even need to be a topic of conversation.

The fact that there's a NWA movie and not a BDP movie should be a big ass clue as to what I'm talking about. Cube is a pop culture icon and his music from the early 90's has very little to do with that in 2016.

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So Wutuang made a resurgance because people luved they personalitys like George Foreman, and they all over tv now selling grills....That don't make you prime Ali,that done make you Bone in they prime:pachaha:

Its weird Wutang vs Bone is the only debate where people don't want to argue prime vs prime,when both groups were active at the same time:jbhmm:...But yall don't think that's a narrative switch? Nobody is asking why was KRS or Rakim never on Ice Cubes level and using what Ice-Cube is doing right now as evidence:dahell:? Prime vs prime is argued in every scenario I've ever seen on here except when it comes to Wu vs Bone?Thats why I cant let yall dicate the argument.

A boxer or any athlete's prime is based on their athletic ability at the time, so fairest comparison to make between athletes is prime vs prime. The tape of results head to head against competition won't lie.
In music, there could be all types of X-factors to what you consider a prime. Are artists selling at a particular moment just because they have catchy hooks or are the flavor of moment? Is it because a bunch of casual listeners liked it because they can dance along to them? Does that prime really have to do with actual skill? Basing music arguments on sales during a hot streak rather than longevity and legacy is shallow. If all those people that bought a particular artists music ain't checking for them once the moment is over why put so much weight on the moment?

And to have a fool like @bigbadbossup2012 talk about the reason Bone isn't being recognized in 2016 as much Wu-tang is based on a media brainwashing from 1996 is pure LUNACY
 

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you mean Bone already tried the million-dollar 1 copy thing and no one gave a fukk?! :mjlol: :deadmanny:

How come Bone stans didn't bring this up earlier?

Not exactly u can't say nobody would buy it because there is no secret unreleased bone album for sale.



so you were flat out lying when you said this, or you had no idea? :pachaha:Geez... I dunno what's sadder. You lying or you pretending to be a Bone fan and not knowing basic shyt about them.

Why the fukk are we even discussing this shyt with these delusional muhfukkas?
 

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you mean Bone already tried the million-dollar 1 copy thing and no one gave a fukk?! :mjlol: :deadmanny:

How come Bone stans didn't bring this up earlier?





so you were flat out lying when you said this, or you had no idea? :pachaha:Geez... I dunno what's sadder. You lying or you pretending to be a Bone fan and not knowing basic shyt about them.

Why the fukk are we even discussing this shyt with these delusional muhfukkas?

:mjlol: I forgot all about this.
 
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