what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?
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If you take ghostwriters more than rarely, you lyrically inferior my manFor one, you don't know Lyte or Latifah didn't write. Having a song here or a verse there written doesn't mean an artist doesn't write at all.
Secondly, no, the girl who mighta done 5 or 6 raps in the middle of songs on the CrazySexyCool album was not a legit contender for best female MC in '94. She had some skills, but let's be serious. Only girls who didn't really listen to rap would say some shyt like that
You're outta your league on this convo breh... you say you were born in '79 but you mighta only been watchin' Video Soul in '94
It means you can't spark creative verses on your own. Lyte had a great legacy... But she had ghostwriters and so was less lyrical
Sorry you gotta laugh it off tho. Believe me, I feel your pain
Life ain't fair when you face the truth. Lyte had writers like that and Lisa didn't.
It's just life.. The one or two times Lisa used a writer in her decade long career, they were begging her to so they could get their names out as writers. Other than that she put people's names down outta charity
For CrazySexyCool that's my point, she had like 5 minutes of rapping yet was more popular than Lyte by miles... how does that feel?
Also everyone knows Latifah ain't write, I can tolerate core fans putting Lyte over Lisa but Latifah is straight bias
However Lisa Lopes and Queen Latifah did more for reaching your average woman than MC Lyte.
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Nikkas actin like kool moe dee didnt exist
that's what I'm saying. if we're really talking all-time, I remember a lot of oldheads mentioning dudes like moe dee. melle mel, grandmaster caz, ll cool j, run dmc, etc.
I guess theyre going by who the goat rappers were in the middle schools at the time.....but then some of these same posters will turn around and try to play the age card on somebody else.
hip-hop history yall. you cant half-step on it.
nah, moe dee made it into the '90s. the original face of longevity.
besides, dude was referring to an all-time list. not a best of '94.
ehh, she took 2nd place on "ladies night"
da brat outshined everybody on that record by a mile.
It doesn't matter what you or me or anyone here thinks about this.. More people nationwide acknowledged Lisa Left Eye Lopes as a brilliant MC than MC Lyte. This is a statistical fact.
Stop tryna rewrite history. And stop actin like girl groups were big like that and it was easier, TLC was basically the first mainstream one
Give Lisa her respect aight fam? She put in more work than just about anyone to stand out in TWO fields, Hip-Hop + RnB
what some of them are saying is that left eye may have been a bigger star and more important in urban culture overall, but she didn't have much standing within the hip-hop culture.
only people that really listened to her bars, like us, realized how dope she was back then.
on the other hand, I hate how some of these posters are tap-dancing around the fact that left eye destroyed 90% of female emcees in collabos, including mc lyte & queen latifah.
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OK that's fair enough and appreciate your neutrality. Just that like you said hip hop fans who didn't brush her off for being the leader of a girl group knew she was among the most talented MCs of that era
For me Da Brat was best in terms of her pace and flow.. She stood out to the point they shut the track down for a moment when she started up
Lisa had the best punchlines by far and the most substance in her lyrics.. And Brat was also breathing a little hard at points but she took more risk so just as well.
Most people will tell you Lisa had the best verse, followed by Brat then Kim
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naw, Rakim and KRS were still making noise in the early 90's. Moe Dee and Kane, not so much. I know it sounds crazy now, but the music was evolving quickly, and that shyt from two years ago was played out
I agree that complicates this idea of a best of all time list in 94. that's also why I wouldn't expect anyone to list someone like Melly Mel, even though in retrospect he should be on the list
who's flattop rules in 89?
naw, Rakim and KRS were still making noise in the early 90's. Moe Dee and Kane, not so much. I know it sounds crazy now, but the music was evolving quickly, and that shyt from two years ago was played out
I agree that complicates this idea of a best of all time list in 94. that's also why I wouldn't expect anyone to list someone like Melly Mel, even though in retrospect he should be on the list
who's flattop rules in 89?
BREH. the bolded has been my stance all thru this thread. youre agreeing with me.
I didn't say anything about kane. but youre right bout moe dee. I thought the "knowledge is king" album dropped in '90. he still had "death blow" tho.
yea. that's what dude was saying when he brought up kool moe dee. the people droppin all-time lists should be mentioning rappers like kool moe dee & melle mel. not just rappers that came out towards the end of the '80s.
but of course, when people say all-time, they don't truly mean ALL-TIME 9xs out of 10.bigbadbossup2012
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Silly threads like this are why i often talk sales.
nikkas say the stupidest shyt,rarely any truth behind it,just straight nonsense. That's why i deal in facts.
This fukk nikka brought up PINK COOKIES & BACK SEAT OF MY JEEP,talking about it sealed LL's longevity.
Silly nikka,14 shots to ya dome was a flop and considered an L,no pun intended. Them singles wasnt even popping like that (compared to ll's other single runs)
nikkas be living in a fantasy,nikkas tried to downplay snoop as the "new kid" as if snoop didnt CLEARLY run 1994.
nikkas bringing up old played out rappers as if they were factors in 1994.
Whole thread is a shyt show
nikkas say the stupidest shyt,rarely any truth behind it,just straight nonsense. That's why i deal in facts.
This fukk nikka brought up PINK COOKIES & BACK SEAT OF MY JEEP,talking about it sealed LL's longevity.
Silly nikka,14 shots to ya dome was a flop and considered an L,no pun intended. Them singles wasnt even popping like that (compared to ll's other single runs)
nikkas be living in a fantasy,nikkas tried to downplay snoop as the "new kid" as if snoop didnt CLEARLY run 1994.
nikkas bringing up old played out rappers as if they were factors in 1994.
Whole thread is a shyt show
Moe Dee was still putting out music, but no one was checking for him. he still had that 80's cadence. I'll give him up 'til around 91, because that was still a transitional period. but 1992 saw Dre, Das EFX, Redman, PR & CL, Pharcyde, Gang Starr, etc, and no one was trying to hear that old shytBREH. the bolded has been my stance all thru this thread. youre agreeing with me.
I didn't say anything about kane. but youre right bout moe dee. I thought the "knowledge is king" album dropped in '90. he still had "death blow" tho.
yea. that's what dude was saying when he brought up kool moe dee. the people droppin all-time lists should be mentioning rappers like kool moe dee & melle mel. not just rappers that came out towards the end of the '80s.
Public Enemy was huge. it seemed like overnight cats were like "you still listening to PE?
"anyway, I think the OP meant 'top 5 right now' (in 1994), meaning top 5 that were established and making relevant music in 1994
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Biggie nor nas were popping more than 2pac,warren g, in 1994.
agree with most of the rest of the post
Spice was above nas in 1994
2pac does NOT belong on this list.
and I say this as an O.G. 2pac fan since 1993, long before the bandwagon.
yea, the only rapper bigger than warren g in '94 was snoop.
I think I glossed over him since I already had him on the top producer list. bout to fix that now.
strong case can be made for spice-one in the top 10. I cant do top 5 tho.
Moe Dee was still putting out music, but no one was checking for him. he still had that 80's cadence. I'll give him up 'til around 91, because that was still a transitional period. but 1992 saw Dre, Das EFX, Redman, PR & CL, Pharcyde, Gang Starr, etc, and no one was trying to hear that old shyt
Public Enemy was huge. it seemed like overnight cats were like "you still listening to PE?
anyway, I think the OP meant 'top 5 right now' (in 1994), meaning top 5 that were established and making relevant music in 1994
yea that's what I was saying. I'd say kool moe dee made it to '91 at least. death blow.
but again, the confusion over the OP is at play here. me and the other bul brought up moe dee for the all-time list. not the "hot in 94" list.
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Current: (In '94)
1. Nas
2. Biggie
3. Snoop Dogg
4. Redman
5. Jeru the Damaja
All Time: (In '94)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Slick Rick
4. Kool G Rap
5. Big Daddy Kane
I took a shot
1. Nas
2. Biggie
3. Snoop Dogg
4. Redman
5. Jeru the Damaja
All Time: (In '94)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Slick Rick
4. Kool G Rap
5. Big Daddy Kane
I took a shot
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So what did nas do that put him over
Tupac.
Tupac dropped two classic singles the year prior.
Had two albums out,one of which that sold quicker than nasir's illmatic.
Also had some features leading into and during 1994
And he dropped thug life in 1994.
