What would Nintendo have to do with the NX to get you onboard?

[Fatboi1]

Every Nintendo home console from the NES to the Wii U with the exception of the Wii has sold worse than it's predecessor. The Wii U won't crack 15 million in sales worldwide before it gets discontinued.

NES sold 61 million
SNES sold 49 million
N64 sold 32 million
Gamecube sold 22 million
Wii sold 100 Million
Wii U is at 13 or so million

Unless Nintendo can come up with another gimmick it's clear their diminishing home console audience likely won't push their next system past even the Wii U's numbers. Nintendo seems to drop about a 10 million purchase loss average between most of their generations.

Every console past the SNES had something dumb about it that held it back on top of missing out on lots of games. The Wii was a fluke. The Wii U was a mistake. The name, marketing and weak hardware was a recipe for disaster.

Nintendo should just try to appeal to western taste and make something for both markets. If they could pull out a show stopper at E3 and copy Sony moves(low price, perception that their hardware is top of the line and showstopper games, they might reel in some fans.)

Each gen for Nintendo is unpredictable.

 

[winb83]

Every console past the SNES had something dumb about it that held it back on top of missing out on lots of games. The Wii was a fluke. The Wii U was a mistake. The name, marketing and weak hardware was a recipe for disaster.

Nintendo should just try to appeal to western taste and make something for both markets. If they could pull out a show stopper at E3 and copy Sony moves(low price, perception that their hardware is top of the line and showstopper games, they might reel in some fans.)

Each gen for Nintendo is unpredictable.

Nintendo tried to put out a traditional game console with the Gamecube and it failed. 3rd parties are mostly done with Nintendo. Their consoles are proprietary Nintendo boxes people buy to play Nintendo games on. The entire market has accepted this and moved on.

The console market doesn't really change that drastically. The company at the top typically has to make a colossal mistake to open a path for someone else to expand. Either that or some sort of gimmick that gets people to buy in. Nintendo understands that well which is why they've tried that approach after the Gamecube's lethargic response from the market.

 

[Cladyclad]

It's nothing imo. I out grew their exclusives.

But I had a choice I would buy a Nintendo console over Xbox any day

 

[NZA]

hybrid console/handheld - base unit is a handheld, console dock and controller sold separately
SSD storage in handheld, extra HD storage in dock
normal USB controllers that could be used on a PC as well
normal blu ray disc drive in the dock
normal x86 processor architecture
a new IP at launch
a promise to release at least one iteration of its top franchises within the life of the system
modern online network
$250 handheld, $50 dock, $50 controller = $300 max price

*if it is a glorified handheld, it wont need cutting edge graphics

 

[Fatboi1]

Nintendo tried to put out a traditional game console with the Gamecube and it failed. 3rd parties are mostly done with Nintendo. Their consoles are proprietary Nintendo boxes people buy to play Nintendo games on. The entire market has accepted this and moved on.

The console market doesn't really change that drastically. The company at the top typically has to make a colossal mistake to open a path for someone else to expand. Either that or some sort of gimmick that gets people to buy in. Nintendo understands that well which is why they've tried that approach after the Gamecube's lethargic response from the market.

You're forgetting a few things about the Gamecube which held it back severely.

Here they are:

They relied entirely too much on 1st party titles and the PS2 was dominating them in that respect. PS2 had a bunch of 1st party and third party games.

Huge titles didn't come out for the Gamecube but did for the PS2 and Xbox(Rockstar Games like GTA, Final Fantasy games, JRPGs,

The controller didn't have enough inputs and(only one shoulder button) and the C stick wasn't a good analog replacement.



The 3rd party situation would've if the above factors werent' there would've helped them tremendously. I just saw that RE4 sold 2.2 milllion on PS2 after it was all said and done while the gamecube version sold 1.6 million. I mean I guess that was due to the timed exclusive release but that's pretty good for a game of that nature.

It used those mini discs which were crap compared to regular DVD discs.

There was no online functionality.

They loss Rareware

The console had barely any JRPG suport. PS2 was dominating in that area.

Had a kiddy stigma attached to it which hurts its image.

Now if Nintendo DIDN'T have any of these problems as stated, I think the GC would've done MUCH better.

 

[winb83]

You're forgetting a few things about the Gamecube which held it back severely.

Here they are:

They relied entirely too much on 1st party titles and the PS2 was dominating them in that respect. PS2 had a bunch of 1st party and third party games.

Huge titles didn't come out for the Gamecube but did for the PS2 and Xbox(Rockstar Games like GTA, Final Fantasy games, JRPGs,

The controller didn't have enough inputs and(only one shoulder button) and the C stick wasn't a good analog replacement.



The 3rd party situation would've if the above factors werent' there would've helped them tremendously. I just saw that RE4 sold 2.2 milllion on PS2 after it was all said and done while the gamecube version sold 1.6 million. I mean I guess that was due to the timed exclusive release but that's pretty good for a game of that nature.

It used those mini discs which were crap compared to regular DVD discs.

There was no online functionality.

They loss Rareware

The console had barely any JRPG suport. PS2 was dominating in that area.

Had a kiddy stigma attached to it which hurts its image.

Now if Nintendo DIDN'T have any of these problems as stated, I think the GC would've done MUCH better.

The PS and Xbox crowd for the most part isn't interested in what Nintendo is doing and vice versa. Most of the major 3rd party titles target buyers for those two platforms. Why should third parties release games on Nintendo home consoles when they'll just flop anyway? Nintendo gamers want Nintendo style games and most third parties fail at mimicking that style.

Nintendo doesn't need to try to make a console like what's already on the market because that's re-inventing the wheel. They need a unique console with an appeal that last longer than a couple months like the Wii had. Nintendo putting out a console in the same style as the Playstation or Xbox is laughable. Nintendo keeps trying to be different because they understand that if they don't set themselves apart from their competitors they won't do as well as they could.

 

[Fatboi1]

The PS and Xbox crowd for the most part isn't interested in what Nintendo is doing and vice versa. Most of the major 3rd party titles target buyers for those two platforms. Why should third parties release games on Nintendo home consoles when they'll just flop anyway? Nintendo gamers want Nintendo style games and most third parties fail at mimicking that style.

Nintendo doesn't need to try to make a console like what's already on the market because that's re-inventing the wheel. They need a unique console with an appeal that last longer than a couple months like the Wii had. Nintendo putting out a console in the same style as the Playstation or Xbox is laughable. Nintendo keeps trying to be different because they understand that if they don't set themselves apart from their competitors they won't do as well as they could.

If it doesn't take any extra effort to have those options there, why not have it?? It'll be a perceived negative to NOT have any of those offerings than to have it. If it's easy to port games to NX and the games are better on there compared to the other versions, it'll be helpful in a way even if it's small. Heck, if that unified library means games that would otherwise be bought on the handheld can be purchased once and played everywhere, that'd be huge for me. There's a lot of 3DS games I'd like to play but I don't want to buy a 3DS.


Perception can damage a brand. Look at how the Xbox brand's "perception" hurt it's launch even though some of the claims were a bit exaggerated? There's probably still people who think you can't play used games on Xbox or that there's a camera that watches you in your room.

They can still offer unique experiences while having something for those who don't particularly care for that. Brand stigma can do a lot.

 

[winb83]

If it doesn't take any extra effort to have those options there, why not have it?? It'll be a perceived negative to NOT have any of those offerings than to have it. If it's easy to port games to NX and the games are better on there compared to the other versions, it'll be helpful in a way even if it's small.

Perception can damage a brand. Look at how the Xbox brand's "perception" hurt it's launch even though some of the claims were a bit exaggerated? There's probably still people who think you can't play used games on Xbox or that there's a camera that watches you in your room.

They can still offer unique experiences while having something for those who don't particularly care for that. Brand stigma can do a lot.

Nintendo spent decades reaching the position they are in right now. They're a kid friendly family brand. They put out underpowered consoles because they spend r&d and budget on features for the consoles to set them apart from the competition.

It doesn't matter if the NX is as powerful or more powerful than the PS4 and XBO because third parties have moved on and the core Nintendo audience doesn't wanna play The Witcher 3 they want Mario Kart. The Witcher 3 on a Nintendo console sells a minuscule amount.

Nintendo isn't trying to lose money on hardware selling high powered consoles with their outside the box market approach. Can you imagine the disaster the Wii U would have been if it was as powerful as the PS4 with that controller? They were already about breaking even on it in the beginning they would have consistently loss money on it through the whole generation if it was a stronger console.

 

[Fatboi1]

Nintendo spent decades reaching the position they are in right now. They're a kid friendly family brand. They put out underpowered consoles because they spend r&d and budget on features for the consoles to set them apart from the competition.

It doesn't matter if the NX is as powerful or more powerful than the PS4 and XBO because third parties have moved on and the core Nintendo audience doesn't wanna play The Witcher 3 they want Mario Kart. The Witcher 3 on a Nintendo console sells a minuscule amount.

Nintendo isn't trying to lose money on hardware selling high powered consoles with their outside the box market approach. Can you imagine the disaster the Wii U would have been if it was as powerful as the PS4 with that controller? They were already about breaking even on it in the beginning they would have consistently loss money on it through the whole generation if it was a stronger console.

we'll see. Also you never know, I'd wager that if said titles were available on their console and were respectable ports, even better they'd probably sell something. Nintendo audience don't buy said titles on the platform because most of the time it's not on there The few times they get on there, it's some really late port or some gimped version of the game.

Nobody is clamoring for Batman Armored Edition on the Wii U if people played it on PS3/360 a year ago. That's the problem, the 3rd party games are usually late or wack on Nintendo platforms. On the gamecube though, some were pretty good, if not better. The games that did come out on the gamecube sold a decent amount e.g. Soul Calibur, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes, Naruto etc. The "nobody will buy 3rd party games on Nintendo systems" narrative always seems to leave out that the offerings are pretty lame.

I always see each new gen as a complete reset and what happened last gen shouldn't have any bearing on what might happen this time. Xbox was the shyt last gen, damn near on par with a worldwide brand like Sony worldwide. Fast forward a gen later, and Xbox is reportedly selling almost half or less than what PS4 is selling.

I don't know man

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

A VR headset with motion controls for not just your hands but your feet. Bring on the Wii board 2!

 

[Red Shield]

no weakass console
no dumbass gimmick
a ethernet port in the console
decent online
enough third party exclusives to make it worth my wild


Nintendo needs to knock it out of the park with this next console...

 

[Kingshango]

I think the NX will be Nintendo's hardest sell yet.

First they have to give people who have already settled with their XB1, PS4 and PC a reason to own their console. Simply having the latest Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc. running on hardware that's on par or (if the rumors are true) surpasses the PS4 isn't gonna cut it anymore, especially if they don't find those games appealing.

Then you got the Wii U owners who feel duped into buying a system that won't even live to see its 4th anniversary. They probably won't buy another Nintendo console again or at least buy one well after launch, like after a year or longer.

Nintendo has to figure out how to win over not only the PS4/XB1/PC but burned Nintendo fans as well.

 

[Cladyclad]

As crazy as this sound they need to appeal to kids. My nieces & nephews give two flying fukkks about Mario. It's like trying to explain to them the dude from "Are we There Yet" was the most gangsta rapper ever They don't get it. Nintendo has to take a chance and make a mature exclusive imo.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Every console past the SNES had something dumb about it that held it back on top of missing out on lots of games. The Wii was a fluke. The Wii U was a mistake. The name, marketing and weak hardware was a recipe for disaster.

Nintendo should just try to appeal to western taste and make something for both markets. If they could pull out a show stopper at E3 and copy Sony moves(low price, perception that their hardware is top of the line and showstopper games, they might reel in some fans.)

Each gen for Nintendo is unpredictable.

If their primary focus of the NX is a handheld. They will flop again.

 

[winb83]

As crazy as this sound they need to appeal to kids. My nieces & nephews give two flying fukkks about Mario. It's like trying to explain to them the dude from "Are we There Yet" was the most gangsta rapper ever They don't get it. Nintendo has to take a chance and make a mature exclusive imo.

Eternal Darkness says hi. They already tried that and it didn't do anything major.

Nintendo needs to double down on what they do best. Making kid friendly and family friendly games. They put out their system with a modest price and appeal to the audience they already have. Ride that till the wheels fall off then shift to third party

Trying to do what Sony and Microsoft do will alienate their core audience and fail miserably.

Nintendo isn't going to capture the Sony or Microsoft crowd because those gamers are satisfied with what they already have. They also for the most part aren't interested in Nintendo style games.