Whats up with Todd Gurley?

[I AM WARHOL]

Do not 100% agree with this. The blocking scheme period has worked for Elliott but are people expecting somebody to have 1000 yards 6 games into the season? Not to mention, Tyron Smith was out a couple games as well and Collins went on IR.

I think Zeke would do better than Todd has in La because his style of running since he's a little quicker. Could make a little more happen behind a shytty line but I have no doubt Todd behind dallas's line would be better than Zeke. That line is insane. I think Todd with a head of steam is > Zeke and that oline would give him space to get going. Overall I think Todd is still a better rb talent. If I were Dallas I think Ramsey and Henry in the second round >> Zeke. Derrick Henry behind that line would be unstoppable. I don't think Henry is better than Zeke or Todd but once he gets going he's impossible to stop.

Ppl gotta stop acting like oline play isn't the most important part of a run game. A washed McFadden was averaging 4.6 yards a pop behind that line with no passing threat. Zeke is good but he's getting overhyped. Todd is getting unfairly blamed for the complete shyttiness of his oline and offense

 

[L. Deezy]

Yet you cannot name a team that's won a super bowl or been playing in january lately without an elite QB, secondary/pass rush and a solid down field passing game. RB has been irrelevant. Look at the RBs from the last few SB winning teams. As I alluded to earlier aside from Marshawn who else is even in the realm of elite? When was the last time the league leading rusher won a championship? When AP and CJ2K went for 2K how did their teams do come play off time? Darrelle Revis, Richard Sherman, Aqib Talib, Josh Norman, and Patick Peterson arguably the best DBs in the league right now have all won super bowls, played in a super bowl or been in a conference championship game. Do you think that's an accident? Go down the list of top rushers and compare. It's not even a comparable.

2007 draft

Adrian Peterson #7

Revis #14 Pick
Sooo Minnesota was suppose to draft Revis instead? Who would you have picked?


2011 Draft

Patrick Peterson a first rounder vs Sherman who was a 5th rounder. Sherman is better. Seattle was able to get him in the 5th

Demarco was drafted in 2011 as well. If he didnt pull that dummy move and leave, he too would probably doing 16-1700 a year. I would also say he would be more important for Dallas than having Peterson or Sherman.




Josh Norman is a 5th rounder.

So, although you named some star DB's, they werent all first rounders and still wouldnt be more important to a team than a elite RB with a good line who can dictate the pace of a game. sorry

Aqib Talib wasnt named MVP for Denver. Von Miller was

 

[Primetime21]

I think Zeke would do better than Todd has in La because his style of running since he's a little quicker. Could make a little more happen behind a shytty line but I have no doubt Todd behind dallas's line would be better than Zeke. That line is insane. I think Todd with a head of steam is > Zeke and that oline would give him space to get going. Overall I think Todd is still a better rb talent. If I were Dallas I think Ramsey and Henry in the second round >> Zeke. Derrick Henry behind that line would be unstoppable. I don't think Henry is better than Zeke or Todd but once he gets going he's impossible to stop.

Ppl gotta stop acting like oline play isn't the most important part of a run game. A washed McFadden was averaging 4.6 yards a pop behind that line with no passing threat. Zeke is good but he's getting overhyped. Todd is getting unfairly blamed for the complete shyttiness of his oline and offense

Henry cant even get any burn over Demarco why should the Cowboys have drafted him instead? Dallas OL is good but it's quickly reaching "guy who sold Jack his beanstalk" status. I remember quite a few posters calling that unit overrated after week 1 then Zeke started tearing it up and the narrative changed.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Don't know how this turned into a Zeke vs Gurley thread, but I just think it's the oline and not being afraid of Case Keenum holding Gurley back. As for Zeke, only person they should have taken over Zeke with how the team is currently constructed was Bosa. All-Star DB's don't mean shyt if a quarterback has all day to throw.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

It's that Oline. Put him behind dallas's line and he's putting up better #s than ellliot.

Straight facts. If Gurley was on the Boys, he would almost average 200 a game rushing

 

[L. Deezy]

Henry cant even get any burn over Demarco why should the Cowboys have drafted him instead? Dallas OL is good but it's quickly reaching "guy who sold Jack his beanstalk" status. I remember quite a few posters calling that unit overrated after week 1 then Zeke started tearing it up and the narrative changed.

You are not lying. Week 1 was definitely "they were overrated"..

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Henry cant even get any burn over Demarco why should the Cowboys have drafted him instead? Dallas OL is good but it's quickly reaching "guy who sold Jack his beanstalk" status. I remember quite a few posters calling that unit overrated after week 1 then Zeke started tearing it up and the narrative changed.

They worked the kinks out from week 1.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Henry cant even get any burn over Demarco why should the Cowboys have drafted him instead? Dallas OL is good but it's quickly reaching "guy who sold Jack his beanstalk" status. I remember quite a few posters calling that unit overrated after week 1 then Zeke started tearing it up and the narrative changed.

Demarco is a good player and its behind that titans line. Specifically behind the dallas line henry would be unstoppable because he'd be able to pick up a head of steam. Henry isnt good when he's hit early. If hes not hit early good luck tackling him. Bruh i saw a washed DMac get 1000 yards behind that line with no qb help at all. Zeke is nice but lets give credit where its due. That oline is special. By far the biggest reason for the success of Dak and Elliott

 

[Dwight Howard]

The Cowboys were a botched call away from making the NFC Championship game with no pass rush and average-below average corners.

I agree that you need a good defense, but you dont need an elite secondary (See 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, 2009 Saints, 2012 Ravens).

Also, how can you say the position is irrelevant? Zeke is an MVP candidate right now as well as OPOY.

When was the last time a CB won MVP? (Never)
DPOY? (2009)

2010 - packers had 3 pro-bowlers in their secondary

2011 Giants were top in INT's that year

2012 ravens had a good secondary led by Ed Reed

2009 saints had 2 pro-bowlers in their secondary

You cant win in today's league without a good secondary. Had Claiborne not improved drastically this year, we would have been in serious trouble.

 

[BlueHeffner]

2012 ravens had a good secondary led by Ed Reed

You cant be serious

 

[Primetime21]

. Zeke is nice but lets give credit where its due.

Yea, give the credit where its due. To the RB for creating/generating yards after contact and making the most of the opportunities the OL creates.

This shyt is unheard of. Same offensive line we ran behind for a 4-12 record and now they're the only reason we've had success. Maybe Dak and Zeke are just special

 

[Dwight Howard]

You cant be serious

they allowed fewer passing td's than any team except the Falcons (15). if you look at the game log, they had 10 games where they allowed fewer than 250 passing yards
2012 Baltimore Ravens Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[NSSVO]

It's the OL.

Todd Gurley Has Been Hit Behind the Line of Scrimmage on Nearly Half His Carries

DAMMNN lol

 

[Rekkapryde]

It's the OL.

Todd Gurley Has Been Hit Behind the Line of Scrimmage on Nearly Half His Carries

Funny how this was the narrative on Ray Rice when the same shyt happened the year he "fell off".

Granted, it was a 3rd of the time that Ravens RBs were being tackled at or behind the Line Of Scrimmage that year

 

[Dwight Howard]

there are only 8 1st-round rookies rated higher than Zeke so far (Wentz, Bosa, Conklin, Tunsil, Karl joseph, taylor decker, Keanu Neal, Ryan Kelly)

4/8 are offensive lineman, so out of the elgible 1st round talents, only 4 are rated higher (Bosa, Went, Joseph, Neal)

Bosa was drafted at #3, Went went #2, and Neal and Joseph went in the teens

If you look at it like that, The Cowboys got a decent return on their investment

here's what they said about Zeke

4. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Cowboys (Ohio State)
Snaps: 291

Overall grade: 75.9

Through seven weeks of the season, Ezekiel Elliott leads the league in rushing (703 yards), but much of the heavy lifting has been done by the Dallas offensive line. Only five backs have a smaller percentage of their rushing yards come after contact, and Elliott has broken only 11 tackles. He has played well, but not nearly as well as the box-score stats suggest.

the only argument you can make for the #4 is trading back, or selecting Ramsey or Deforest Buckner (both have similar grades to Zeke)

Because of the emergence of Claiborne, we might not need Ramsey as much but it would have been decent insurance. Buckner would fit on our line, and fill a need. With that said, Zeke seems to have been the most impactful fit for this team