when AI makes STEM/Coding brehs obsolete......

[maxamusa]

It's not about being "Smarter", one of the main issues is "Consistency" and "Drift".
The same lack of consistency or Drift, that exists in visual/generative AI for image/video models, also exists in coding models.

Where the model will sometimes Hallucinate code methods/props for certain code frameworks/languages that don't even exist.

When they concretely solve the "Drift/Consistency" issue, then and only then will it be something that seasoned developers will have to worry about
"Replacing Them".

Right now most of the "Generative Code" AI platforms can create "Apps", but once it is time to "Refactor" or create additions to the app, unless you have some sort of "safe guards" in-place, there always stands the chance that the coding model, removes/renames functions/methods/props breaking previous working code, and even the model with change UI (if that is part of the code being worked on), removing key UI elements.

There is also the issue of unnecessary complexity, that some coding models introduce to solve simple coding problems.

you think CEO's and bean counters are receiving your message?

 

[Ty Daniels]

you think CEO's and bean counters are receiving your message?

I'm tell you why the technology isn't "There Yet", nothing more, nothing less.

I'm an independent developer, I don't have to worry about someone "Replacing Me".

Also I will add, is that once the "CEO's" and "Bean Counters" try and fully or even mostly replace seasoned developers with Gen AI, they will run into the same issues I'm talking about, no need for them to "Receive My Message", it will be shown better than I could tell them.

They will end up having to hire qualified coders to fix the code from the AI Model

 

[maxamusa]

I'm tell you why the technology isn't "There Yet", nothing more, nothing less.

I'm an independent developer, I don't have to worry about someone "Replacing Me".

I don't know what you do based off your vague responses.

But is it safe to say you have some Niche skillset?


Being objective; outside of your niche skillet would you say that the majority in STEM are "safe?"

 

[null]

So for now a few will eat; and in a short time no human will eat.

You better be in the top percentile to be so confident.

babble. that ain't the safeguard.

the clock is ticking.

 

[maxamusa]

babble. that ain't the safeguard.

how is it babble?


since the early 1900s technology has rapidly advanced.....


in the past couple of years it's ten fold.

what do you SPECIFICALLY do from a desk that AI won't be able to master and do more efficient within the next couple of years?

 

[Ty Daniels]

I don't know what you do based off your vague responses.

But is it safe to say you have some Niche skillset?


Being objective; outside of your niche skillet would you say that the majority in STEM are "safe?"

The "Majority of STEM" is too broad a concept to give a definitive answer on.

I will say that the majority of available AI Models have both "Drift" and "Hallucination" issues.

And damn near all of the top Coding Model providers and (general AI) have disclaimers that "Results May Not Be accurate".

This requires humans(for the time being) to vet code, and information to insure the integrity of it.

 

[null]

It's not about being "Smarter", one of the main issues is "Consistency" and "Drift".
The same lack of consistency or Drift, that exists in visual/generative AI for image/video models, also exists in coding models.

Where the model will sometimes Hallucinate code methods/props for certain code frameworks/languages that don't even exist.

When they concretely solve the "Drift/Consistency" issue, then and only then will it be something that seasoned developers will have to worry about
"Replacing Them".

Right now most of the "Generative Code" AI platforms can create "Apps", but once it is time to "Refactor" or create additions to the app, unless you have some sort of "safe guards" in-place, there always stands the chance that the coding model, removes/renames functions/methods/props breaking previous working code, and even the model with change UI (if that is part of the code being worked on), removing key UI elements.

There is also the issue of unnecessary complexity, that some coding models introduce to solve simple coding problems.

i think that they might be onto something with agents. this is of primary tech danger to devops and infra folks along with new graduate capacity requirements.

plus they might start creeping up the tech skill chain.

odd that we thought programming would be one of the last things affected when formal languages are by their nature simpler than human languages.


LLMs as primary agents might be a dead end, which is .

 

[KingDanz]

Breh,

Current AI often hallucinates functions/methods/props etc...

AI coding right now is ONLY effective if you ALSO know how to code.

Damn near every AI platform I've used for code assist has required me manually fixing code, or doing work-arounds so the AI doesn't try to refactor everything.

Cause when they do "Refactor" 9 times out of 10, the AI removes some shyt that was working before, essentially breaking the code or at least requiring a "Fix for the Fix".

Some day in the future possibly, but right now it ain't replacing coders

Claude Code though ... I could sit back all day and not do a thing, obviously i have to know the codebase, but with the right prompts Claude Code is the GOAT in VScode. Can open an old repo with terrible coding and ask it to refactor it wow:. Instant Python scripts 5 years ago, i would be stressing trying to meet a deadline, posting questions on Stackoverlow, DaniWeb, PHPfreaks, reading API documentation, ... now, all i got to do is give a clear prompt.

 

[JT-Money]

Cheap foreign coders from overseas will be the main beneficiaries from AI advancement. Companies will no longer need more expensive American coders to fix all the mistakes.

 

[Ty Daniels]

Claude Code though ... I could sit back all day and not do a thing, obviously i have to know the codebase, but with the right prompts Claude Code is the GOAT in VScode. Can open an old repo with terrible coding and ask it to refactor it wow:. Instant Python scripts 5 years ago, i would be stressing trying to meet a deadline, posting questions on Stackoverlow, DaniWeb, PHPfreaks, reading API documentation, ... now, all i got to do is give a clear prompt.

Exactly, You knowing the code base makes Claude Code an effective tool. I use Claude also, and like you, know the code base that I'm working with.

Generative AI code, can help a single competent DEV perform the work of multiple.

I look at is as just another new tool or a "Paint Brush", anyone can "put down some brush strokes" but not everyone is going to paint a "masterpiece"

 

[maxamusa]

The "Majority of STEM" is too broad a concept to give a definitive answer on.

I will say that the majority of available AI Models have both "Drift" and "Hallucination" issues.

And damn near all of the top Coding Model providers and (general AI) have disclaimers that "Results May Not Be accurate".

This requires humans(for the time being) to vet code, and information to insure the integrity of it.

Its really not though; almost all of these degrees / skill sets under the umbrella are computer based.



I hear you with the "time being" part. But you also strike as an older individual; no offense.


Therefore; you're probably for sure "safe." Would you honestly say the "fields" are not under direct threat? especially to someone who's young taking out massive loans to obtain an education for jobs that may or may not exist ten years from now?

 

[Ty Daniels]

Its really not though; almost all of these degrees / skill sets under the umbrella are computer based.



I hear you with the "time being" part. But you also strike as an older individual; no offense.


Therefore; you're probably for sure "safe." Would you honestly say the "fields" are not under direct threat? especially to someone who's young taking out massive loans to obtain an education for jobs that may or may not exist ten years from now?

AI has the potential to reduce the required work-force thus making it harder for younger people(and even seasoned/older people), getting/keeping jobs.

So "Will AI Replace Jobs", in many cases yes, but it will not make "Coders Obsolete", that is a far ways out, (if it even happens at all).

If "They" succeed in making "Self Augmenting/Repairing AI" AKA "Singularity", sure.

But right now (and the foreseeable future) AI technologies require humans to maintain/code them, and train/build new models,and the myriad of other things associated with them.

On the user-end, the output from AI requires those with knowledge(coding skills and others) to "vet" the info to insure it is accurate and not "Hallucinated".

 

[010101]

hit the track..........*

 

[IIVI]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Like anything, some people will work in the industry and some people will be replaced by A.I in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing.

Nobody is screwed like the uneducated or those that don’t have a military background though. How you going to compete with a STEM grad for the same office position or get the job over someone who’s boss also served the country?

A.I is coming for people who didn’t grow after high school.

Also a reminder to invest in stalwart A.I stocks.

 

[Tair]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Like anything, some people will work in the industry and some people will be replaced by A.I in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing.

Nobody is screwed like the uneducated or those that don’t have a military background though. How you going to compete with a STEM grad for the same office position or get the job over someone who’s boss also served the country?

A.I is coming for people who didn’t grow after high school.

Also a reminder to invest in stalwart A.I stocks.

Current SWE will move into robotics/AI training/engineering. They won't have to work on finding errors and smaller tasks that take up a majority of their time, and they'll get to the "real work" faster, which will ultimately get them doing more work, not less.

Other STEM majors will work on interdisciplinary fields in robotics (from microfluidics/nanotech to wireless power transmission, and a bunch more areas)

If anything, AI will open up more areas for people to get into, not less.

But I find it hilarious that people think STEM cats just memorized some equations for plugging and chugging.