When did conscious rap become "uncool"?

[Wacky D]

Young Thug, Migos, Cheef Keef, Meek Mills and such are the main ones getting pushed.

Isnt taking off like that with the public? They arent even played on the radio fool.

no the hell theyre not.

meek gets a b-level push AT BEST.

the rest of these are fly-by-night bammas that they tried to give b-level pushes to.

 

[PhonZhi]

@Will Ross comment on this post:

If anything I feel like conscious Hip Hop is becoming more mainstream. People are tired of all the gangsta rap sheet hence reason a lot of gangsta stay local. J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar and the rising Big Krit are all conscious rappers.

Its pretty much the same thing i said that you quoted.

 

[Blackout]

no the hell theyre not.

meek gets a b-level push AT BEST.

the rest of these are fly-by-night bammas that they tried to give b-level pushes to.

Bullshyt

I heard Meek Mill on the radio all of the time throughout his run

 

[Wacky D]

What da fuk are u talkn bout white boy

further proof that youre a phoney that aint bout chit.

fallback while you still can. dikkhead.

youre not in my league.

Bullshyt

I heard Meek Mill on the radio all of the time throughout his run

so are you gonna sit here and say that his push is comparable to the names i listed?

are you really gonna say that with a straight face?

and wheres all these other names that you were supposed to be listing?

Rewriting history...da fukk


What hip hop was poppin in 73 homie...no nikka, Donna summers was poppin in 73 along with the BG's and sly and the family stone...maybe there was some early sounds of hip hop at the time but it was nowhere near a thing yet. Me and all my siblings stretch from birthdates between 68' - 79'. My whole family was birthed during this period...my parents were in the street kickin it like me now in 73...no one was talkin hip hop in 73 it was all disco and studio 54 in 73...facts. And the song dropping in 83 after the beginning in 79 is not long...between 79 - 83 it was simply the transition from local party scene music to actual radio airwaves music...it wasn't like a lot of different waves came and went between those three or four years...and this isn't what I consider the beginning...it is what MANY consider the beginning.

i never said hip-hop was big time to the general public yet.

thats besides the point.

it existed.

 

[PhonZhi]

@Wacky D post me a link to me winning a poster of the year award. For some reason i was never notified of this achievement

 

[Edub]

No it didn't....

The Message by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five Songfacts

Early Rap was more like what gets called mainstream/commercial today. There was no deep, thought provoking or poetic lyricism going on.


1:04 and 7:23

I get what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing with facts...what I'm saying tho is only 1 aspect of hip hop had been developed, the musical side...but the mc lyrical side came with GMAFF(or from Sylvia)...before that nikkas considered the music a new sort of disco...after the message dropped the content quality bar was set for MC's to carry...imo thats when we enter hip hop. The message was probably the first time fans rocked to the music and FELT the lyrics...that together is a completely different product. But hey, this is just my opinion

 

[Wacky D]

@Wacky D post me a link to me winning a poster of the year award. For some reason i was never notified of this achievement

if it aint you, its your man whose about to go down with you if you keep swinging.

whatever his name is. 2 nobodies. i cant keep track.

 

[mamba]

Yep, music about blacks being killed by other blacks and promoting an overall destructive lifestyle to the black community will be shunned more and more as we unite and become increasingly aware that this music is being used against us. Kendrick and Cole are selling because they represent the "average" black man, not the negative stereotypical super thugged and swagged out caricature that the white man wants representing us.

Good point. Notice that we're programmed to consider the things beneficial to relationships and community building lame and those things that undermine relationships and community building cool and exciting.

Notice that it seems those destructive messages are targeted at our community and are reinforced via the things most easily digested: music, images, etc. Almost like systematic brainwashing.

Let people tell it, we just havin' fun outchea. They're doing what they want to do and actualizing their latent desires.

But, in reality, our enemies are actively working to cripple us once and for all in a way that state-sponsored violence, discrimination, crack, etc. couldn't do. Destroying our bodies was one thing. Destroying our minds in a totally different matter and an arguably more effective evil. But, hey, nikkas ain't tryin' to hear that.

A point I made in another thread.

 

[PhonZhi]

Ill quote myself:

when the white man saw how influential this new genre of music called "hiphop" had become and decided to use it for white supremacist gain by flooding the airwaves with music telling black people to fear each other, indulge in drug use, spend frivolously and to place a greater importance on crime & ignorance over intelligence & education by making it seem "cool"

Again, this is the root cause. Dont let these white boys in here shift the blame. WE allowed them to dictate the culture and the soulless and mindless poison that floods black radio today is a result. It works to condition the black man to continue leading an unproductive lifestyle and to benifit the Prison Industrial Complex. Keep thinking its "just entertainment".

 

[Edub]

further proof that youre a phoney that aint bout chit.

fallback while you still can. dikkhead.

youre not in my league.





so are you gonna sit here and say that his push is comparable to the names i listed?

are you really gonna say that with a straight face?

and wheres all these other names that you were supposed to be listing?





i never said hip-hop was big time to the general public yet.

thats besides the point.

it existed.

It existed in 73' yeah ok


And Charlie Chapplin kicked a rhyme in song circa 1942...so I guess the genre been around since the Industrial Age huh based on your logic

 

[Edub]

name em.

the big pushes are going to wayne, drake, nikki, kendrick, cole, etc
with old lurkers like eminem, kanye & corporate jay

wheres the gangsta chit?

just because most of this stuff isnt taking off like that with the public, doesnt mean its not the main stuff getting pushed.






this song was dope and actually had a lil buzz.

if lupe made more songs like that, he'd be in a better place.





lol yep.

cole is an industry plant.

kendrick too.

But if so about K dot he's one artist they got right...he has IT factor(could still get boring during a show though)

 

[Barnett114]

Immortal Technique probably sold some of the most records for a non mainstream artist breh. Y'all are labeling anything you don't really like as concious
What's concious about 2pac exactly?

His three albums have sold a total of 190K out of his own mouth.
________________________________

He was of the few that is actually about the words he writes. All the profits from his albums go to greater causes.

Immortal Technique is "conscious", nor do I label anything conscious.

I never said anything about 2Pac.

 

[PhonZhi]

if it aint you, its your man whose about to go down with you if you keep swinging.

whatever his name is. 2 nobodies. i cant keep track.

Just back down my dude. Black people are awakening and becoming mentally aware. Seems to me that this threatens you. Im not the only one in here speaking the truth. If you "shut" me down or even WANT to, that says more about YOU, a supposed black man.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I get what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing with facts...what I'm saying tho is only 1 aspect of hip hop had been developed, the musical side...but the mc lyrical side came with GMAFF(or from Sylvia)...before that nikkas considered the music a new sort of disco...after the message dropped the content quality bar was set for MC's to carry...imo that when we enter hip hop. The message was probably the first time fans rocked to the music and FELT the lyrics...that together is a completely different product. But hey, this is just my opinion

If you read and listen to interviews from the oldschool cats, many feel that HipHop was in it's purest form when it was closer to Disco and the MC's were giving off more of a party vibe while being backed by a DJ. Some think when MC's started to become more of the full blown modern rapper it killed the original vibe with the 4 elements.

 

[PhonZhi]

A point I made in another thread.

Great post. 100% facts