when nikkas gone stop acting like Biggie was innocent?

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Gotta is a crip? Ain't he one of bigs day ones? I didn't know they were on that shyt in ny back when big was alive.

I’m not a street dude at all so can’t confirm but it’s pretty obvious when you see his IG (@mafiacgutta) and it’s all loc this loc that.
 

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Big, also on record, literally bragged about his team being "Marine Blue".
Southside Crips are well known for wearing Seattle Mariners hat.

Add to that, OG crip Zip was Big's daughter's godfather and Big's muscle "C" Gutta, who beefed with Jim Jones is a crip.
It's fair to say Big was crip-affiliated heavy to say the least and they put battery on his back to the point where he felt comfortable enough to go to LA and drop the Long Kiss verse.

Pac gets criticized for being gassed up and affiliating himself with Bloods in his mid 20's.
Big did exactly the same, just with a different gang.

Oh, and you can't say Big wasn't an instigator either with the Dogg Pound trailer thing.
It wasn't directly aimed at Pac but my point is that Big wasn't this chill dude who only reacted when got dissed first.


did they say baby lane made music?
 

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BIG wasn't the instigator but he wasn't innocent at all. After Pac died he should have been more humble even if he wouldn't have sincerely meant it. To go to Cali where Pac was loved by millions was just some dumb shyt in itself. Aint like LAD still wouldn't have sold millions of records. Especially with I'm actually ALIVE to push more of the songs that could have been singles.

He didn’t need to be humble. I have no idea why some say this. If someone attacked you publicly, fukked your wife & made it known to everyone in & outside of your circle, threatened you & your kids, & blamed you for something you had no part in I doubt you’d (or most others) would be on some humble shyt fam. Keep it a buck. I’m not saying piss on a man’s grave publicly like Big did but I’d probably not really comment on the issue because if he’d died I wouldn’t have cared
 
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He didn’t need to be humble. I have no idea why some say this. If someone attacked you publicly, fukked your wife & made it known to everyone in & outside of your circle, threatened you & your kids, & blamed you for something you had no part in I doubt you’d (or most others) would be on some humble shyt fam. Keep it a buck. I’m not saying piss on a man’s grave publicly like Big did but I’d probably not really comment on the issue because if he’d died I wouldn’t have cared
delusions of grandeur.. :francis:
 

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Biggie was allegedly notorious (pun intended, pun intended for 'pun' too) for beating the shyt out of women, I always thought the absolute worse of people like that, poor character. The way some try to portray him as the good, innocent party in the shyt with Pac is probably some ol bullshyt. Claim you run the city but don't be privy to robberies/attempted murders that happen a couple of floors away from you before or after the fact brehs. Rapper Dons indeed..
 

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:mjlol:Nikka please. That nikka got you shot. Pac was all about this “he gonna do this and gonna do that” jimmy was in LA plenty of times. Why not run up on him? fukking bad boy money up by giving more attention to bad boy cause even after biggie, how many hits did puffy label put out?:mjlol:this is what I mean when I say young and dumb. You want beef go find Jimmy or the nikkas that shot you and kill, stop yapping about biggie, making videos/songs dissing him, trying to start problems with him when you know who shot you you idiot. Jimmy was probably laughing at Pac throughout that whole east vs west cause Pac knew better not to try that shyt to him before he get ass lit up again
exactly .... pac knew jimmy Wouldn’t be responding with words that’s the one thing where I think pac was faking the funk .... he knew biggie had nothing to do with this situation yet went at biggie as if he was the one that shot him or had him shot ... people use the excuse but” badboy was getting extorted n that was a way to get at jimmy “ how the fukk is that gona work giving them more attention :snoop: if anything you giving them more money ... hate jimmy or not Pac nor suge tryed anything to him he had both ov them shot on different Occasions...
 

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He had Henchman targeted before he even got out of prison
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then why wen he got out ov prison not go directly after him ???? Stop making excuses up ... pac didn’t want it with jimmy let’s be real.... hence why he never directly went at him n went at everyone but jimmy .......
 

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ready to die stole the style and concept from pacs album?

explain breh

No, read it again propperly. i said on ready to die he stole pac's whole flow & style, Pac had a whole album recorded then he scrapped it cos biggie bit of off him and put out ready to die so Pac had to switch up his album, throw away the tracks & start from scratch, the album he finally put out was MATW after big stole his ideas & shyt for what he was gonna put out, make sense?

theres an interview somewhere about it all, go find it
 

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You gotta realize alotta bigs actions were playing cool for the cameras. Just like these youngsters today on social media who play cool around serious situations and end up paying for it.

Alone behind the scenes they were both probably scared as hell.

If Big was scared he wouldn't have went to Cali. He even made a song about it. I'm not understanding when you say he had to play cool cause there is plenty of footage of him not playing cool on camera
 
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No, read it again propperly. i said on ready to die he stole pac's whole flow & style, Pac had a whole album recorded then he scrapped it cos biggie bit of off him and put out ready to die so Pac had to switch up his album, throw away the tracks & start from scratch, the album he finally put out was MATW after big stole his ideas & shyt for what he was gonna put out, make sense?

theres an interview somewhere about it all, go find it
man.. stop.. :laff: :laff: :laff:

if thats the case.. explain how i heard RTD demo(which was basically, the album) over a year before it even dropped.. and, that was 2yrs before MATW dropped.. :mjpls:
 

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That ain’t the point, for all the rah rah Pac was known for, he should have brought the same energy to Jimmy henchmen and his squad period. He had all the energy for bad boy, that should of been used for Jimmy period but with all the death row boogeyman stories about them gooning on everybody and they mama, making nikkas drink piss and all types of crazy shyt, you notice not one story about them running down Jimmy boys. That’s a L period
My nikka just stop with this Jimmy Henchmen nonsense. We all know Henchmen and Jack were goons, that's a fact. But he literally stated in Against All Odds "I have my money right, now I want war", and named dropped both those individuals in that song, not Biggie. So yes, he was going to get at him but died before he could do it. He was on DR less than a year but you're acting like he's been in the label for years and didnt say or do anything.
As for dissing Biggie, was it because of sales? Partially yes beef generates sales this is a proven fact for any rapper that has been in a highly publicized beef.
But I find it funny that you ignore;
-Biggie snitched on a radio show and almost got Snoop and DPG killed (Henchmen goons shot up their trailer)-----> Pac, DPG, DJ Quick release first on wax diss as a response called NY 87 (on YT check for yourself)
-Tupac releases Hit em Up as a RESPONSE to Who Shot Ya (I don't care if the song was written before he got shot, the intent on releasing the song after Tupac got shot knowing fans and media would try to connect the two, could be perceived as a diss towards Tupac
Two big events that played a major part in the beef and Biggie did in fact start those two events and Tupac responded.
Now that i've debunked your "bububub why was Pac dissing Biggie and not Henchmen" argument, I personally don't fault Biggie for staying loyal to Puffy/NY/NY goons etc He lived (his mother too) and had business in NYC, challenging actual goons would be a dumb move on his part.
 

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If Big was scared he wouldn't have went to Cali. He even made a song about it. I'm not understanding when you say he had to play cool cause there is plenty of footage of him not playing cool on camera

That last interview with Joe Clair. Wasn't sincere, it was cool actin. Pac had just been killed. We're desensitized to the shyt now but at the time it was shocking. And the hoi polloi thought big had something to do with it. At some point you gotta quit playing cool and truly speak to try and diffuse the situation, but going out west at that time wasn't the way to do it.

And yeah they were both terrified.
 

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man.. stop.. :laff: :laff: :laff:

if thats the case.. explain how i heard RTD demo(which was basically, the album) over a year before it even dropped.. and, that was 2yrs before MATW dropped.. :mjpls:

And let's not overlook them spitting live at BDK bday party. Pac is barely staying on beat while BIG effortlessly spits to crowd approval...as an unknown artist.
 

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2 months after he got locked up
He could have seen him before those two months, no? Just before the interview Badboy connections to the shooting were being talked about regardless of it being true or not.
 
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