When People Say Jay “Took” The Whisper Flow From Chris…

[WaveGang]

Young Chris couldn't even get in contact with Jay years before AG was even recorded. LOL!!

AG has a lot of Lupe cadences on it. He was around Jay a lot at the time and Jay had just executive produced Food and Liquor. So he was pulling a lot of inspiration from Lupe, back then.

Big Capp Chris was still tapped in with him.

And Chris has been ghost writing for years. He wrote the Jadakiss diss for beans and he writes for puff son at the moment.

Definitely not far fetched. The boy Chris a word snitch

 

[Manolo]

State Prop was really the biggest casualty of the Roc split. They mastered their chemistry by the second album and everybody was individually getting nicer. They all got fukked over but Chris had the most potential by far. Jay stole his whole aura

 

[EastsideRio]

"I Just Wanna Love U" was done before Sparks came in for the hook. Shay from N.E.R.D. had another hook on it with Pharrell, but it wasn't working. The hook Sparks was using was a Rick James rip that he was going to use for one of his own joints, but he gave it to Jay. No one stole anything from him. He went in and redid the hook with P and Shay, using the Rick James joint.

Only problem was that he had just signed and didn't have his publishing set up, so he ended up taking cash for it, rather than getting paid royalties. Which would've been way more.

I call rap

 

[nieman]

shyt always cracks me up. Jay "stole" his flow. Does that mean Chris couldn't use it anymore or something?

It means that every time you listen to Chris, you hear Jay...and no one will get behind a Value Store-name version of Jay, in a time like sounding too much like a known superstar got you nowhere

 

[Awesome Wells]

I call rap

It's like Neef said about this, "People pick at little sh*t they wanna pick at in everything. Jay never bit anything from Chris. We all inspired each other and used the same slang". He said everybody quotes B.I.G. a lot, including Beans, but they never say Beans is biting B.I.G., but if Jay quotes B.I.G., then it becomes "Jay is biting B.I.G.". And that's true. People are so jealous of Jay's success, that they will try their hardest to discredit him and make up whole stories, to do it. Like Neef said, "Jay outworked and out-hustled everybody" and people can't take it.

They do the same sh*t with Dre, with the "He's not really making the beats" and "People around him aren't being credited for the music", "Daz is really the one that made this track and that track". And then Daz will come out and back Dre and call him a genius and then dudes will actually get mad at Daz and say he's covering for Dre. LOL!! It's only in Hip Hop, where people seem to have a hard time giving credit to the legends. Dudes would rather discredit the best people that have ever done it, than respect their work and give them props for it. Hater ass culture. Sh*t is wild.

 

[obarth]

It means that every time you listen to Chris, you hear Jay...and no one will get behind a Value Store-name version of Jay, in a time like sounding too much like a known superstar got you nowhere

At no point have I ever compared the two to each other. Big Sean's initial rhyme scheme got jacked by the biggest rappers in the game before he really hit his stride. Big Sean was fine and became a star regardless. Milo's flow was copied like crazy. They were fine.

 

[Cladyclad]

What did Jay Z do to guys 35 and up mentals?

shyts unhealthy lol


What are these abundance of songs of whisper flow?

Hell jay whispered on the city is mine lol

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Chris was like 16 though and the Roc split up a few years after he was signed. With the right push and marketing, he had potential to go further than he did

All them nikkaz did, Neef Buck mixtape series is so slept on, I hate it ain’t on the platforms I use

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Young Chris couldn't even get in contact with Jay years before AG was even recorded. LOL!!

AG has a lot of Lupe cadences on it. He was around Jay a lot at the time and Jay had just executive produced Food and Liquor. So he was pulling a lot of inspiration from Lupe, back then.

You a real one to catch that breh. “American Dreaming” still gets burn from me but you can really hear Lu’s form in it

“Who in the f knows how to be successful
Need a personal Jesus, I’m in Depeche Mode”

 

[Controversy]

Philly gave Jigga inspiration, gave him a crew that would battle D-Block, gave him slang, gave him flows

State Prop don't get enough love in general

Young Chris is a big what if in hip hop bc he should've been a solo artist from the jump and he should've got a Bleek-level push at minimum

Jigga took a boxing concept from Oschino and turned it into a song on BP (Lyrical Exercise)

Jigga took a song from Naam Brigade (philly group) & then redid All I Need and put it on BP

2001-03 Jigga was clearly influenced by Philly all around

 

[ABlackMan]

How didnt Jay steal Chris flow??? We all know he stole I Just Wanna Love U from Omillio Sparks and then years later wouldn't clear a sample for him.

That’s fukked up lol

 

[DrexlersFade]

@Cladyclad

 

[Cladyclad]

@Cladyclad

Huh lol

 

[re'up]

wow

Do You Want Me

haven't thought about that track in years lol

had that album as a kid, used to play this on my headphones walking to school

 

[re'up]

just going to throw this in here