Where is Carmelo Anthony on your top 10

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That's a blatant contradiction breh. :pachaha:

How so? I said to a certain degree. Everyone played their minor role(s) and Melo was the protagonist - he led them.

I am not denying all of the factors that go into winning or losing or the impact of teammates. I am not even putting it all on him or denying how well he's played. I'm saying he's clearly not having elite impact his numbers notwithstanding AND it's his fault the team is stuck with these streaky, unstable guys around him.

That's the only thing I agree with - because he did make his own bed.

If you say he isn't having elite impact on the team, than what players in this league could have the team functioning comprehensively better than he could? (any players out of position you have to find the SF equivalent, e.g. if you say CP3, then a Felton-caliber SF would have to be in place of Melo)
 

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How so? I said to a certain degree. Everyone played their minor role(s) and Melo was the protagonist - he led them.



That's the only thing I agree with - because he did make his own bed.

If you say he isn't having elite impact on the team, than what players in this league could have the team functioning comprehensively better than he could? (any players out of position you have to find the SF equivalent, e.g. if you say CP3, then a Felton-caliber SF would have to be in place of Melo)

So why isn't he leading them this year? Uh because he didn't lead them last year. They played over their heads and it had nothing to do with him. He's not a galvanizing, "rally the troops" type player. Leadership as well as how your game meshes with and compliments others is a part of the deal too.

The bed he made is a big part of the reason the team is functioning like it is. For example if you replace him with George, they would've had $40 mil in cap space (difference between Melo and George's salaries this year + the $20 mil they would have if they could amnesty Amare) AND their first round pick this year. Once again the teammates pass is out the window when you the one who limited your teams ability to provide better teammates.
 
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Top 10 right now?

In no specific order off the top of my head players I'd take over Melo right now:

Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Dwight
CP3
Duncan
Parker
Wade
Love
Curry

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He's definitely top 20 though :ehh:
 

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So why isn't he leading them this year? Uh because he didn't lead them last year. They played over their heads and it had nothing to do with him. He's not a galvanizing, "rally the troops" type player. Leadership as well as how your game meshes with and compliments others is a part of the deal too.

The bed he made is a big part of the reason the team is functioning like it is. For example if you replace him with George, they would've had $40 mil in cap space (difference between Melo and George's salaries this year + the $20 mil they would have if they could amnesty Amare) AND their first round pick this year. Once again the teammates pass is out the window when you the one who limited your teams ability to provide better teammates.
The funny thing is Melo is actually playing better this year than he was last year.
 
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So why isn't he leading them this year? Uh because he didn't lead them last year. They played over their heads and it had nothing to do with him. He's not a galvanizing, "rally the troops" type player. Leadership as well as how your game meshes with and compliments others is a part of the deal too.

Because there's basically nothing to lead. Even if he was a galvanizing, 'rally the troops' type of player, they'd still be in disarray. He isn't a point-forward so his leadership and how well he meshes with players on the court, can only go so far - Felton has more say on how the games flow as opposed to Melo. But we're not talking about him having equal impact to LeBron, we're talking about him being a top 10 player - you can not list nine other players in the league that are better than him, because there's only two in the league who are definitively better.

The bed he made is a big part of the reason the team is functioning like it is. For example if you replace him with George, they would've had $40 mil in cap space (difference between Melo and George's salaries this year + the $20 mil they would have if they could amnesty Amare) AND their first round pick this year. Once again the teammates pass is out the window when you the one who limited your teams ability to provide better teammates.
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You're getting shyt twisted, because his off the court decisions weren't the best and share partial blame for the on-court product of the squad; it basically holds no weight in where he ranks as a player. Since when the hell did we judge a player's abilities on financial decisions? Yes, he deserves lil' sympathy for the situation he put himself in, but that doesn't take away from him being a top 10 player.
 

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I can't take anybody's basketball opinions seriously if they don't consider Melo a top 10 player.

Leave your bias out of it. I can't stand LeBrawn, but even I can admit that there is no denying that he's the best player on the planet currently.
 

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So why isn't he leading them this year? Uh because he didn't lead them last year. They played over their heads and it had nothing to do with him. He's not a galvanizing, "rally the troops" type player. Leadership as well as how your game meshes with and compliments others is a part of the deal too.

The bed he made is a big part of the reason the team is functioning like it is. For example if you replace him with George, they would've had $40 mil in cap space (difference between Melo and George's salaries this year + the $20 mil they would have if they could amnesty Amare) AND their first round pick this year. Once again the teammates pass is out the window when you the one who limited your teams ability to provide better teammates.

:camby:get out of here with trying to replace Melo with PG like its some even trade.

PG defense will be worth nothing in the Knicks switch everything defense. PG gonna have Stat protecting the Paint not Roy...big difference.

The "bed" melo made isnt what the plan was. It was supposed to be Melo,Stat, and CP3. The knicks jumped the gun and wasted the Amnetsy on Billups to get Tyson fresh of a championship.

The Knicks organization has proven over decades that they arnt the smartest bunch but yet its Melo fault THEY made the trade. Lets ignore the fact they had ALL the leverage and Donnie Walsh was playing hard ball with Denver because of it. Melo told Denver he aint resigning, and he wants to go to the knicks witch prevented Denver from trading him to another team cause he wasnt gonna resign with that team, the Knicks had all leverage in the Deal breh and if they didnt like what Denver was asking for they could of waited to get him in the summer....but then Dolan got nervous and stepped in and the rest is history.

With all that said why do people continue ignore Stats 100 mill contract thats preventing the Knicks from getting some soild players.
 

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I'm dropping him to the last spot on the top ten list because of how pathetic his team is.
 

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The funny thing is Melo is actually playing better this year than he was last year.

That's some irony for your ass breh. :wow:

Because there's basically nothing to lead. Even if he was a galvanizing, 'rally the troops' type of player, they'd still be in disarray. He isn't a point-forward so his leadership and how well he meshes with players on the court, can only go so far - Felton has more say on how the games flow as opposed to Melo. But we're not talking about him having equal impact to LeBron, we're talking about him being a top 10 player - you can not list nine other players in the league that are better than him, because there's only two in the league who are definitively better.


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You're getting shyt twisted, because his off the court decisions weren't the best and share partial blame for the on-court product of the squad; it basically holds no weight in where he ranks as a player. Since when the hell did we judge a player's abilities on financial decisions? Yes, he deserves lil' sympathy for the situation he put himself in, but that doesn't take away from him being a top 10 player.

How are you a top 10 player and you can't get into the playoffs in this weak ass east I ask again?

:camby:get out of here with trying to replace Melo with PG like its some even trade.

PG defense will be worth nothing in the Knicks switch everything defense. PG gonna have Stat protecting the Paint not Roy...big difference.

The "bed" melo made isnt what the plan was. It was supposed to be Melo,Stat, and CP3. The knicks jumped the gun and wasted the Amnetsy on Billups to get Tyson fresh of a championship.

The Knicks organization has proven over decades that they arnt the smartest bunch but yet its Melo fault THEY made the trade. Lets ignore the fact they had ALL the leverage and Donnie Walsh was playing hard ball with Denver because of it. Melo told Denver he aint resigning, and he wants to go to the knicks witch prevented Denver from trading him to another team cause he wasnt gonna resign with that team, the Knicks had all leverage in the Deal breh and if they didnt like what Denver was asking for they could of waited to get him in the summer....but then Dolan got nervous and stepped in and the rest is history.

With all that said why do people continue ignore Stats 100 mill contract thats preventing the Knicks from getting some soild players.

We know the Knicks FO sucks, they have sucked for years so why did Melo force his way there via trade and sign an extension? Why did he trust them to work shyt out? Why did he fail/refuse to mesh with STAT when he was healthy? Why have the Knicks been at their best when one or both of them were out? Wouldn't they have been able to amnesty STAT if Melo had just gone there as a FA?

Point blank there are no excuses for missing the playoffs in this weak ass east when you forced your way into a situation.
 

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All hate aside he's still top 10...if not 5, maybe. :ehh:
I can't front Melo is balling this year + He looks like he's in better shape than he was the last 2 years even tho still nowhere near that of, say LeBron. But if the Knicks were a top 2 seed he'd be in the discussion for MVP again, no doubt.

He's still a top 10 player doubt but there are so many options out there depending on the team you are putting together i can understand how some will leave him off their top 10. He's just not a great all around player but definitely one of the league's deadliest scorer, still
 
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