which city/area would be good for a NBA team expansion ?

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  • Norfolk-Virginia Beach, VA

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • Pittsburgh, PA

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Kansas City, Mo

    Votes: 14 9.2%
  • Nashville, TN

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Vancouver, British Columbia

    Votes: 11 7.2%
  • Las Vegas, NV

    Votes: 31 20.3%
  • Seattle, WA

    Votes: 62 40.5%
  • Cincinnati,OH

    Votes: 9 5.9%
  • Baltimore, MD

    Votes: 9 5.9%

  • Total voters
    153
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No need for a second team here, kings just up the road, two in la. Nah, dubs is the only teams that unites the bay (outside of hockey). Plus them moving to SF exploits that Silicon Valley money just the same, them vc big wigs and overpaid tech workers are all up in San Fran. No need to fragment the market, hardcore fans will remain dubs fans and the second team will be "hey, my job gave us tickets to the ------ game, wanna go" status.


And Las Vegas is a terrible choice, a lot of y'all must not have ventured off the strip. That city is poor as shyt and filled with transplants - I don't see residents making it profitable, and I don't see a sports team (well maybe football since it's just 8 games) competing with all the other shyt to do in Vegas, especially with so many foreign visitors who give two fukks about sports.
 
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City size isn't the only factor in determining if a city/region can support a pro team. Corporate sponsorships, season ticket base are other important factors as well...I've never heard of any pro team in any sport consider Louisville before and it's probably because of a lack of those resources to really support a pro team. I'm sure Louisville is a great city, but I think there are more factors at work than just bad lease deals

Louisville was the front runner to land the Grizzlies and Hornets. If you haven't heard of a NBA team considering Louisville then you haven't been paying attention. I brought up corporate sponsorship and season ticket base in an earlier post in this thread. You're directly quoting me.
 

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Louisville was the front runner to land the Grizzlies and Hornets. If you haven't heard of a NBA team considering Louisville then you haven't been paying attention. I brought up corporate sponsorship and season ticket base in an earlier post in this thread. You're directly quoting me.

Post the links. I've never heard Louisville being a frontrunner for any pro sports team, let alone NBA teams.

EDIT: And your post about corporate sponsorship & ticket sales had nothing to do with mine. Does Louisville have the corporate sponsors in the area and the potential season ticket base to consistently support a team? That's my question to you.
 
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Post the links. I've never heard Louisville being a frontrunner for any pro sports team, let alone NBA teams.

EDIT: And your post about corporate sponsorship & ticket sales had nothing to do with mine. Does Louisville have the corporate sponsors in the area and the potential season ticket base to consistently support a team? That's my question to you.

Yeah. There's been feasibility reports that have concluded it could support it. There's 5 Fortune 500 companies headquartered in the area and zero local competition from other professional sports teams. That's why the University of Louisville is trying to keep the NBA out, because currently all the local corporate money goes to them. That's part of the reason why Louisville's basketball program makes more money than most college football programs, which is unheard of. The University knows that if the NBA comes then they'll lose millions in sponsorship money alone, so they've gone to great lengths to keep that from happening.
 

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So in both cases Louisville had an opportunity to land a pro team but failed to do so. What does that say about your chances if you fumbled both chances within the last 10-15 years? Also if Louisville ever got a team, Louisville would enter the NBA as one of the smallest markets in the entire league. If were looking at all the cities most deserving of an NBA team, Louisville would be a contender but I can't see it seriously ever happening
 
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So in both cases Louisville had an opportunity to land a pro team but failed to do so. What does that say about your chances if you fumbled both chances within the last 10-15 years? Also if Louisville ever got a team, Louisville would enter the NBA as one of the smallest markets in the entire league. If were looking at all the cities most deserving of an NBA team, Louisville would be a contender but I can't see it seriously ever happening


Pretty much every new NBA city enters as one of the smallest in the league. And I say the fact that twice before the city was being considered for relocation down to the wire bodes EXTREMELY well for its future chances. You have an opinion, but lack strong facts to support it.
 

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Why are so many people voting Seattle? Why would a basketball team succeed in Seattle long term?

The NHL is going to Seattle soon and hockey will suck fans away from basketball given Seattle's demographics. The only reason the Seahawks get so much support in Seattle is because they win at a supernatural rate compared to other franchises.

The only reason Toronto is able to support a basketball team is because there are like 5 million people in that area.
 

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Pretty much every new NBA city enters as one of the smallest in the league. And I say the fact that twice before the city was being considered for relocation down to the wire bodes EXTREMELY well for its future chances. You have an opinion, but lack strong facts to support it.

There was a time when Kentucky boasted its own professional basketball team. The Kentucky Colonels, a charter member of the old American Basketball Association, had star players and a passionate fan base and even won a title in 1975.

But as with Louisville’s professional baseball teams of the past, professional sports are a distant memory in the Derby City, which is decidedly in love with collegiate athletics.

Pro sports still has its supporters in Louisville, although their efforts to bring a franchise to Louisville might seem to be going on in the background.

But a recent study might give them something to talk about — or at the least, provide a little more tinder for the rhetorical fire that often surrounds such conversations.

A study by G. Scott Thomas, a researcher for American City Business Journals, the parent company of Louisville Business First, examines which markets — including Louisville — are most likely to financially support professional sports. His findings are based on a series of factors, including total personal income in the market, ticket prices and team revenue data.

The findings might be surprising to some. According to the study, a Major League Soccer franchise has the most potential to survive in Louisville.

That’s likely because soccer -— by a factor of three — is the most affordable of the five sports ranked. Louisville was one of 37 markets to notch a 100 score, which indicates the city’s financial capacity to support a team.

Louisville, of course, recently entered the soccer world in a larger way when Louisville City FC kicked off its inaugural season in the minor leagues. Early returns appear favorable, and it might be possible to see how the city could rally around an MLS franchise in the future. More on that later.

That is clearly not the case for Major League Baseball, the most expensive of the five, where Louisville scored a 34.

As for football, hockey and basketball, the verdict is a little murkier. Each of those sports scored in the 70 range, which is considered borderline and just above the level that denotes an insufficient income base.


For any of those sports to work here, the fan base would have to extend outside of the metro area’s boundaries.

Adding a pro team is unlikely in the view of Karl Schmitt, executive director of the Louisville Sports Commission, a nonprofit organization that works to attract and host sporting events in Louisville.

“As a practical matter, I don’t think Louisville could ever get professional football, professional baseball or professional hockey because of the number of the teams that are in the region,” he said.

Numerous pro sports franchises are within a short drive of Louisville: the Cincinnati Bengals, Indianapolis Colts and Tennessee Titans of the NFL; the Cincinnati Reds and St. Louis Cardinals from MLB; the Indiana Pacers of the NBA;and the Nashville Predators from the NHL.

“Those are regional draws,” Schmitt noted.

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In particular, and despite hockey’s presence in Nashville, he doesn’t see viability for hockey here because of limited natural affinity.

Since 1998, the Predators have called Nashville home and draw an average of 16,851 fans to games at Bridgestone Arena, which seats 17,113 for hockey.

Likewise, and despite Louisville’s status as a basketball town, a skeptical Schmitt raises the specter of a “very expensive ticket” and surmises that the city lacks sufficient corporate backing for a pro franchise to support an NBA team.


But he sees the plausibility of MLS.

“Soccer is the most affordable and the best set of all those options in pro sports,” he said. “And the most practical.”

A case for MLS

A Major League Soccer team is on the mind of one Louisville businessman — Wayne Estopinal, an architect by day and also chairman of Louisville City FC. He’s widely credited with bringing the professional minor league franchise here. But he’s not ready to think too far ahead yet.

“I think it’s going to take us a year or so to understand what we can or can’t do in Louisville,” Estopinal said. “I can tell you that numerous owners in our group have a serious interest in going into MLS, and they likely have the financial wherewithal to do that.”

Estopinal said MLS commissioner Don Garber has told him a city must prove that the market can support a team, prove the team is successful, and have a stadium deal before it can support a franchise.

“Right now, we are in our infancy of all those aspects, so I think we’ve got a lot to prove before we can even start putting a time line on this,” he said.

Yet there are ongoing discussions about building a stadium for Louisville City FC, he said. The team, which made its debut on March 28 at Louisville Slugger Field, won’t be able to stay there long if it wants to grow. It will need concession and advertising revenues to build value in the club, Estopinal said.

A new soccer stadium would most likely seat 10,000 people, he said, with the idea of making it expandable to 22,000 if Louisville ever moved to the major leagues.

“There are very passive strategies in place that will help us get there,” he said. “But are they active at this point? Not more than just design and strategic thinking.”

Estopinal doubts an MLS team could draw 20,000 or more fans per game, but he does think it is conceivable to expect 18,000. There are 20 MLS teams currently, playing a 34-game regular season.

“Hopefully with a very strong fan base with corporate support (and) good municipal support, we can get out here and be a very competitive team in the MLS. But right now, we have a lot to prove in the (United Soccer League).”

The ACBJ study said an MLS team requires $14 billion in total personal income to thrive -— three times less expensive than any of the other four sports on the list. With $35 billion in TPI available in Louisville, the city would be in a financial position to support a team.

The city also has strong youth, high school and travel soccer programs, Schmitt said, which could help make the franchise popular.

“No doubt about it, Major League Soccer is a player in the national landscape and will only grow and a become more prominent over the years,” he said.

What if there’s only room for one?

J. Bruce Miller is the name most commonly associated with trying to draw the NBA to Louisville. For about three decades, the Louisville attorney has made it a personal mission to bring a team here.

Despite coming up short on a number of occasions, he’s still at it. Miller told Business First he is currently in negotiations with three entities to organize funds for a professional basketball team. He declined to disclose specifics.

Major League Baseball is the most expensive of the five sports included in the study. Here’s how the five sports break down in terms of needed TPI:

Major League Soccer:$14 billion

National Basketball Association:$45 billion

National Football League:$48 billion

National Hockey League:$50 billion

Major League Baseball:$104 billion

How Louisville scored in each of the five sports

100: Major League Soccer

78: National Basketball Association

73: National Football League

70: National Hockey League

34: Major League Baseball

Research by G. Scott Thomas, ACBJ


About the ACBJ study

A new study from American City Business Journals, the parent company of Louisville Business First, analyzed 83 markets in the United States and Canada to determine if they have the financial ability to support new professional teams in baseball, football, basketball, hockey and soccer.

The ACBJ findings are based largely on each market’s total personal income (TPI), the sum of all money earned by all residents in a given year. It compared the local income base to the financial needs of teams in the five sports, determining the likelihood that a new franchise would prosper.

The analysis used TPI data to calculate a capacity score for every market that currently lacks a team in any of the five professional leagues. The study estimated the TPI that a market would need to support a pro sports team, based on team revenues and ticket prices.

It is important to note, however, that other considerations would be important in any decision to expand or relocate a franchise. Among those factors would be proximity to existing teams, the availability of stadiums and unique local factors.

LINK: Are professional sports a doable deal for Louisville? - Louisville - Louisville Business First
 

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Yes I've read this. The report said it was doable. Karl Schmitt said he didn't think it was. He has no say in the matter. That's his opinion.

You must've missed this from the article:

As for football, hockey and basketball, the verdict is a little murkier. Each of those sports scored in the 70 range, which is considered borderline and just above the level that denotes an insufficient income base.

Louisville's ability to host & maintain an NBA team seems to be sketchy at best
 
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Borderline as far as the city by itself. Support from the Lexington and Northern Kentucky areas would be needed. Its almost an identical situation to Memphis and Oklahoma City.
 
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