Who has the higher ceiling: Kyrie Irving or John Wall?

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most of em would have had a better record than kyrie's during that stretch while bron was out
What maybe ONE more win? :heh:

Insert PG here
Matthew Dellaedova
Mike Miller
Kevin Love
Tristan Thompson

First game against the Hawks (the best team in the East at the time) - every PG leaving with a L
Second game against the Bucks (before Knight was traded and they went 7-3 around that period) - Paul, Westbrook Curry would be the only PGs that could have won that game
Third game against Charlotte they won
Fourth game against the Mavs (#1 offense in the league) - every PG leaving with a L
Fifth game against the Rockets (one of the best teams in the West) - every PG leaving with a L
Sixth game against the Warriors (best team in the league) - every PG leaving with a L
Seventh game against the Kings (Gay and Cousins dropped 20+ points each) - every PG leaving with a L

So there's only ONE game where only THREE PGs in the league would have probably won them the game. See how stupid it is to you use that stretch against Kyrie. Even if Bron played they probably would have only won two-three games during that stretch. They had no team chemistry, and had only just added Jr Smith and Mozgov right at the end of the stretch.
 
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Yes it does actually. It was 55 points. And just in case you thought it was a fluke he did it again not too long after that.
corey brewer had 50 last year...i guess he better than wall too
Clearly you can not read. Kyrie went and dropped 57 points against the second best defense in the league a few weeks later, just in case you thought the first 50 point game was a fluke.

Kyrie is a 21 ppg/45% shooting career player. Brewer is 10 ppg/42% shooting career player. Use stupid comparisons brehs.
 
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What maybe ONE more win? :heh:

Insert PG here
Matthew Dallaedova
Mike Miller
Kevin Love
Tristan Thompson

First game against the Hawks (the best team in the East at the time) - every PG leaving with a L
Second game against the Bucks (before Knight was traded and they went 7-3 around that period) - Paul, Westbrook Curry would be the only PGs that could have won that game
Third game against Charlotte they won
Fourth game against the Mavs (#1 offense in the league) - every PG leaving with a L
Fifth game against the Rockets (one of the best teams in the league) - every PG leaving with a L
Sixth game against the Warriors (best team in the league) - every PG leaving with a L
Seventh game against the Kings (Gay and Cousins dropped 20+ points each) - every PG leaving with a L

So there's only ONE game where only THREE PGs in the league would have probably won them the game. See how stupid it is to you use that stretch against Kyrie. Even if Bron played they probably would have only won two-three games during that stretch. They had no team chemistry, and had only just added Jr Smith and Mozgov right at the end of the stretch.
no i don't see how stupid it is because those pg's have already played on teams with players being out an succeeded...your argument is so garbage that you have to use ONE game to try prove how well kyrie would perform over an entire season as an 1st option when he had a whole stretch where he was unsuccessful leading a team to a respectable record :camby:no matter how you slice it...he ain't did shyt without bron
 

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Wall wouldn't be able to play with LeBron, it takes a very specific type of PG to excel with LeBron, guys like Curry, Kyrie, Lillard and Tony Parker, scoring PGs that basically can play off the ball effectively are the only type of 1s that can work with Bron.
no he would.. lebron would have to play PF at least 2 quarters a games..

john wall would have that Wade role the other two quaters..

so far this makes a better tandem for lebron as his FG% goes really high when he can post more.
 
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no i don't see how stupid it is because those pg's have already played on teams with players being out an succeeded...
Did those players succeed with starting lineups of

Matthew Dallaedova
Mike Miller
An injured Kevin Love who could barely play because of back spasms
Tristan Thompson as the C - average defensively and is only 6"9.

your argument is so garbage that you have to use ONE game to try prove how well kyrie would perform over an entire season as an 1st option
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Of course Kyrie wouldn't average 50+ ppg in a season. You claimed that he's only an efficent scorer because he plays alongside Bron. That's a lie.
when he had a whole stretch where he was unsuccessful leading a team to a respectable record :camby:no matter how you slice it...he ain't did shyt without bron

YOU STUPID fukk, HE PLAYED WITH DALLAEDOVA, MLLER, AN INJURED LOVE AND THOMPSON AGAINST TEAMS LIKE THE WARRIORS, ROCKETS AND HAWKS DURING THE SEVEN GAMES HE PLAYED WITHOUT BRON. HOW THE fukk DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO WIN THAT PERSONNEL?

How many PGs in the league would have won games against the Rockets, Warriors and Hawks with those starting lineups?
 
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Clearly you can not read. Kyrie went and dropped 57 points against the second best defense in the league a few weeks later, just in case you thought the first 50 point game was a fluke.

Kyrie is a 21 ppg/45% shooting career player. Brewer is 10 ppg/42% shooting career player. Use stupid comparisons brehs.
he had bron in that spurs game that's irrelevant...that 21 ppg/45% shooting didn't mean shyt when he had the chance to prove he was a real #1 option...you make excuses for him when it matters then praise him for ONE good game while he was the focal point of the offense...fukkouttahere...i'm done
 
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Did those players succeed with starting lineups of

Matthew Dallaedova
Mike Miller
An injured Kevin Love who could barely play because of back spasms
Tristan Thompson as the C - average defensively and is only 6"9.


:merchant:

Of course Kyrie wouldn't average 50+ ppg in a season. You claimed that he's only an efficent scorer because he plays alongside Bron. That's a lie.


YOU STUPID fukk, HE PLAYED WITH DALLAEDOVA, MLLER, AN INJURED LOVE AND THOMPSON AGAINST TEAMS LIKE THE WARRIORS, ROCKETS AND HAWKS DURING THE SEVEN GAMES HE PLAYED WITHOUT BRON. HOW THE fukk DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO WIN THAT PERSONNEL?

How many PGs in the league would have won games against the Rockets, Warriors and Hawks with those starting lineups?
you strategically ignored me mentioning that other pg's played with players out cuz that killed your argument...look how mad you are...you're trash at debating :russ:
 
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he had bron in that spurs game that's irrelevant...
No it's not irrelevant. Bron had lil' to do with him scoring those points. Irving was creating off the dribble pretty much the entire game. Parker guarded him, Kawhi guarded him, Green guarded him... he killed all of them. Bron only assisted only a few of his FGs.
hat 21 ppg/45% shooting didn't mean shyt when he had the chance to prove he was a real #1 option...
I'll ask your dumbass again, WHO THE fukk CAN WIN GAMES WITH DION WAITERS AS THEIR SIDEKICK?
you make excuses for him when it matters then praise him for ONE good game while he was the focal point of the offense...fukkouttahere...i'm done
I'll ask you again what PG in the league is beating the Rockets, Warriors, Mavericks and Hawks with a lineup of Dallaedova, Miller, an injured Love and Tristan Thompson?
 
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you strategically ignored me mentioning that other pg's played with players out cuz that killed your argument...you're trash at debating :russ:
I answered that with

"Did those players succeed with starting lineups of

Matthew Dallaedova
Mike Miller
An injured Kevin Love who could barely play because of back spasms
Tristan Thompson as the C - average defensively and is only 6"9."

What PGs won with players out, please give me names and examples. I'm trash at debating, yet you just compared Kyrie's scoring ability to Corey Brewer..... :dead:
 
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@My neck and my back

What PGs have won regularly with players/starting lineups equivalent to -

Dallaedova
Mike Miller
Kevin Love
Tristan Thompson

That's what Kyrie had to play with when Bron was out. I'd like to know who these PGs are.

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