murksiderock
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It's been a draw. LeBron in '17, '18, and '20. KD in '19, '21, and '22. What's the point, though?
Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?
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It's been a draw. LeBron in '17, '18, and '20. KD in '19, '21, and '22. What's the point, though?
so KD has been better than Lebron for the last 4 seasons
i just wanted to see where u were wit it
That's lazy breh. Duncan didn't have any teammates make All-NBA his first four title seasons, and in that 2003 title run none of his teammates were even close to all-star level. Here is Tim's #2 option every year during the 1999-2007 stretch where he won 4 of his 5 titles:
1999: 33yo D-Rob 16-10-2 on 51% shooting. No All-Star game that year. No All-NBA besides Duncan.
2000: 34yo D-Rob 18-10-2 on 51% shooting. Made All-Star and 3rd-team All-NBA but Duncan got hurt
2001: 35yo D-Rob 14-9-1 on 49% shooting. Made All-Star and 3rd-team All-NBA
2002: 36yo D-Rob 12-8-1 and injured. No All-Stars or All-NBA besides Duncan
2003: 20yo Parker 15-3-5 on 46% shooting. No All-Stars or All-NBA besides Duncan
2004: 21yo Parker 15-3-5 on 45% shooting. No All-Stars or All-NBA besides Duncan
2005: 22yo Parker 17-4-6 on 48% shooting, not All-Star. Manu surprise All-Star, 16-4-4 on 47% shooting. No All-NBA besides Duncan.
2006: 23yo Parker averaged 19-3-6 on 55% shooting and made his first All-Star game. No All-NBA besides Duncan.
2007: 24yo Parker averaged 19-3-6 on 52% shooting and made All-Star again. No All-NBA besides Duncan.
In that 9-season stretch, Duncan never once had another 20ppg scorer on the team, and half the time he barely even had anyone over 15ppg. He never once had more than 1 teammate make the All-Star game, and from 2002-2004 he didn't have any All-Star teammates at all. The only years that entire time where he had a teammate make All-NBA were 2000-2001, which were a total waste anyway due to injuries to Duncan, Sean Elliott, and Derek Anderson.
In all four of his title seasons during that stretch he didn't have an All-NBA teammate. No one else in NBA history can say that they did that 4 times.
D-Rob was on that career tail from '99-'01 and after that he was just hurt. Ginobli is only a HOF for international, he had some good seasons after 2005 but no career 13-3-4 6th man with just 2 All-Star appearances to his name is getting HOF off NBA play. Toni Kukoc is in the HOF too, but do you hear people talking abou that '97 Bulls team having 5 HOF players like that? And Tony Parker legit but he got that rep off his 2006-2014 stretch, he was a scrub in '02 and from '03 to '05 he was just a good point guard but no special player.
Players like Russell, Wilt, Bird, and Magic actually played with legit All-Stars their entire career, Timmy was playing with a rather normal lineup for the first stage of his career when he had the most success
KD finally passed Bron when Bron got hurt in 2019, but it's weird cause KD didn't play the next year while Bron had a fantastic season being the MVP runner-up and Finals MVP. Durant hasn't finished better than 5th in MVP voting since 2014. So you can't say KD definitively passed Bron until 2021.
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Tony and Manu didn’t need to make a all nba team. Both were damn good and made sacrifices to their game for the Spurs system. Both clearly had more to show than the spurs let them. Both easily had all nba game during those runs. No media gon tell me otherwise
Duncan won the 2003 Finals with 20yo TP averaging 14-3-4 on 38% shooting and rookie Manu averaging 8-5-2 on 35% shooting.....and you think they were All-NBA.
Why would the "Spurs system" in 2003 want their two best perimeter players to look that weak? How did that help San Antonio?
These were brand-new players in the league who had been drafted 28th and 57th. They weren't even hot prospects. If they "clearly had more to show" then they wouldn't have had every other team in the NBA pass on them in the draft. Pop didn't even like TP and said he had a trash first workout with the Spurs, they only decided to draft him after giving him a second shot.
2005 and beyond they were easily all star caliberDuncan won the 2003 Finals with 20yo TP averaging 14-3-4 on 38% shooting and rookie Manu averaging 8-5-2 on 35% shooting.....and you think they were All-NBA.
Why would the "Spurs system" in 2003 want their two best perimeter players to look that weak? How did that help San Antonio?
These were brand-new players in the league who had been drafted 28th and 57th. They weren't even hot prospects. If they "clearly had more to show" then they wouldn't have had every other team in the NBA pass on them in the draft. Pop didn't even like TP and said he had a trash first workout with the Spurs, they only decided to draft him after giving him a second shot.
Yes, I already granted that they were borderline all-stars past 2005. But not All-NBA. And Timmy led the Spurs to their 2nd title in 2003 long before they were even touching all-star status. Once they reached that all-star status they damn near 3-peated immediately and only fell off when injuries caught up with them.
All Duncan needed was two borderline all-stars and he came one foul away from a three-peat.
You're criticizing him for doing something that literally every other great has done (win titles with another talented player or two) while completely ignoring that what Duncan did in 2003 hasn't been replicated in the 21st century.
I’m not criticizing him for nothing. All I said was he a HOFer every year he been in the league. Which is fact. Not to mention some of the better role players of all time also. His situation was damn good from the jump. Something I never ever heard anyone criticize ever
So I guess MJ had 5 Hall of Famers in 1997. That's a "fact" as well, but no one says it cause it would be fukking stupid.
I guess MJ's 1980s teams weren't that weak cause he was already rolling with Hall of Famers George Gervin, Artis Gilmore and Scottie Pippen by 1988. Should have at least made a conference finals!
When Duncan came into the league, Popovich was on the hot seat literally on the verge of being fired and the Spurs lineup was so shallow they were starting Will Purdue, Vinny del Negro, and Jaren Jackson in playoff games.
Whereas when Kobe came into the league, he joined a team that already had 53 wins the season before and then added him AND Shaq. That first season they were starting Nick van Exel, Eddie Jones, Robert Horry, Elden Campbell, and Shaq, with Jerome Kersey and Byron Scott as the 6th/7th men and Kobe as the 8th man.
Duncan walked into a decent situation. Kobe walked into a GREAT situation. So using Duncan's situation to try to downplay his accomplishments is ridiculous. Duncan was already 29yo and about to start falling out of his prime by 2005 when the Spurs finally got a first-class lineup around him.
The point is no one ever criticize Tim for having a great a situation
u saying the same thing I’m saying
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Brehs saying they'd pick Duncan to start their franchise over Kobe...no shyt Sherlock, of course in the 90s you're picking the center with 4 years of college experience over the guard straight out of high school 
Kobe birthday today, and even in death LeBron fans still making these disrespectful threads.
Once again I ask, who is better all time, Tim Duncan or LeBron?
Once again I ask, who is better all time, Tim Duncan or LeBron?
LexDiamonds
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Lebron. He's consistently ranked top 3 all-time and all the stats/accolades favor him.