Who was greater, Philip II or Alexander the Great?

Who was greater overall?

  • Philip II of Macedonia

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • Alexander the Great

    Votes: 15 71.4%
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Phillip II, he set the template for Xander the Greats run

He appeared to be a better governor as he was able to hold onto the territories better.

But he wasn't as ambitious as Xander.

Ultimately I value what you can hold onto vs what you can conquer
 
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Phillip was the better Statesman he kept the greek world united in away they have never been. As far as the other traits I have to give it to Alexander. They say he never lost a battle and considering how powerful Persia was at the time that was impressive. We still talk about Alexander today and I don't think we would know who Philip was if not for his son. Alexander and his father were conquers and he managed to surpass him in every way.
 
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Alexander was literally the Old World version of DonaldTrmp . His father gave him all the game, strategies, political organization. All Alexander had to do was put the key in the ignition.

His father no sht paid for him to learn from Aristotle. That was the net equivalent of YOU being tutored by Neil DegrassTyson(for sciences) , Colin Powell (yes he co0ned, but military science is his forte), Langston Hughes( for arts), and John Henrik Clarke (for history). Philip’s only mistake was not giving him an old world version of Ben Carson(yes I know) to teach him “drinking is bad”.


In a similar vein, DonaldTrmps father made all the dirty deals, business deals, and family strategy to insure his son could take on the world.
 
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No disrespect to Philip, but Alexander was superior.

The Greeks never took to the Macedonians, it's why Philip went down several times to beat sense into them and cajole them into a reluctant truce. It's also why Thebes killed their Macedonian garrison while Alexander was up north fighting, forcing him to raze the city to the ground and send those he didn't kill into slavery. Even when Alexander departed for the East, he left a sizeable army in Greece to forestall any silly ideas about revolting.

Philip may have been the better governor but he, at his peak, controlled only Macedonia, Greece and a few islands. Did he have the capability to govern across 3 continents like Alexander did? He didn't lose any territory, even while he was fighting a war in India. That's effective governance IMO. And that's not counting the fact that Alexander never ever lost a battle :wow:
 
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CopiusX said:
Alexander was literally the Old World version of DonaldTrmp . His father gave him all the game, strategies, political organization. All Alexander had to do was put the key in the ignition.

His father no sht paid for him to learn from Aristotle. That was the net equivalent of YOU being tutored by Neil DegrassTyson(for sciences) , Colin Powell (yes he co0ned, but military science is his forte), Langston Hughes( for arts), and John Henrik Clarke (for history). Philip’s only mistake was not giving him an old world version of Ben Carson(yes I know) to teach him “drinking is bad”.


In a similar vein, DonaldTrmps father made all the dirty deals, business deals, and family strategy to insure his son could take on the world.
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CopiusX said:
Alexander was literally the Old World version of DonaldTrmp . His father gave him all the game, strategies, political organization. All Alexander had to do was put the key in the ignition.

His father no sht paid for him to learn from Aristotle. That was the net equivalent of YOU being tutored by Neil DegrassTyson(for sciences) , Colin Powell (yes he co0ned, but military science is his forte), Langston Hughes( for arts), and John Henrik Clarke (for history). Philip’s only mistake was not giving him an old world version of Ben Carson(yes I know) to teach him “drinking is bad”.


In a similar vein, DonaldTrmps father made all the dirty deals, business deals, and family strategy to insure his son could take on the world.
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@CopiusX dope points! But I dunno..say if any of us on the coli were in Alexander's shoes and we had the same training, etc,etc. If you put anyone on the coli in ALexander's place would we all accomplish all the things he did as well?
 
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adexkola said:
No disrespect to Philip, but Alexander was superior.

The Greeks never took to the Macedonians, it's why Philip went down several times to beat sense into them and cajole them into a reluctant truce. It's also why Thebes killed their Macedonian garrison while Alexander was up north fighting, forcing him to raze the city to the ground and send those he didn't kill into slavery. Even when Alexander departed for the East, he left a sizeable army in Greece to forestall any silly ideas about revolting.

Philip may have been the better governor but he, at his peak, controlled only Macedonia, Greece and a few islands. Did he have the capability to govern across 3 continents like Alexander did? He didn't lose any territory, even while he was fighting a war in India. That's effective governance IMO. And that's not counting the fact that Alexander never ever lost a battle :wow:
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Yet when Alexander died it all crumbled so I don't know about his governing ability. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
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Dave24 said:
Yet when Alexander died it all crumbled so I don't know about his governing ability. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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It just meant his generals were inferior in ability and ambition, and were content with holding onto their personal fiefdoms.

If Alexander died just holding onto Philip's vastly smaller kingdom, it wouldn't have crumbled.
 
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