Why Are Men Who Claim "Good/Nice" Hated Sohh?

[Easy-E]

What i don't get is why is it only a mans job to make change? Women can't find a genuine nice and or good man, the answer is men need to "man up" and start searching for them.

No need for . I believe this discussion is about finding a good woman. It's not every women's job to bent and contort herself to be a good woman to every man that wants them.

They're humans, too.

I'm sayin'; stop trying to fit the square peg into the round hole (no pun intended).

Then you have to pass all these rigid qualification tests to prove you are genuine(unless you're model face handsome or way above their income tax bracket) and if you even slip up a little they flaking on you, giving a breh that 'tude .

[EDIT: I don't think I really understand that post you used that SAS smilie on]
Your in another quote talmbout; "we'd hit those porn stars, we just wouldn't get 'em pregnant."

I kinda think ya'll would, because, Ya'll don't seem to understand the concept of movin' on to the next woman.

Flaking is disrespectful. And if your puttin' up with it, it's your fault for allowing her to do so.

If she got single friends doomed from the start, they're gonna put in WORK to make sure you ain't sugar honey ice tea to her. Inviting her to go clubbing, teaching her feminist values they never shared up until then, getting all in her concious inception blocking.

An average looking male will be rejected and called ugly by an average looking female. A female will flat out ignore a male who walks up and say hello if she not interested .

Again, KIM (Keep It Movin').

This is the same forum that talks about how women's prime's are before 27,28 y.o., while ours are after our mid-30's. Especially (the way ya'll put it) in the looks department.

Maybe you just aren't in the right situation to find a real mate. Live your life.

Personal note: Right now, though "my heart is in the right place," I'm in a position to expect a woman to deal with me with the financial and emotion issues I'm goin' through, right now. Right now...

I want a "girl," but, I understand that it may not be the season for that. Season - Something us brehs have to understand. We can't have it all, all the time.

It'll happen, in due time.

Show me a man who acts like that. Social media has almost every female homely or not gassed up to different heights, while for men the equivelant is simping reaching new lows. Don't even dare approach a woman unless you come equipped like a phone on a plan with unlimited everything, or risk being that guy that women spread ill things about on social media, further hurting your chances because now you're a loser.

That sounds like the behavior of immature women. And if you want to waste time with them, then, prepare to keep havin' complaints.

We're in a new world than our parents.

Maybe the whole find-a-mate-get-married-young-and-long thing is over.

Maybe we need to let age weed out the "bad" from the "good women."

Maybe find one that's seasoned, didn't settle for a "thug," got passed up, and just happens to be over 30 and single. That's another outdated stereotype we have to get rid off (if your a woman and aren't married by 30, you're spoiled milk).

It's terrible to hear "man up and find that woman you want" when it's just not that simple at all. Even if you do find what you are looking for that doesn't mean she's interested. Not in the least. I feel for my brehs in the struggle so i don't hold it against them at all for going at the neck of those women. They're making an example for the next generation and that matters, for sure.

I know "man up" is a bit harsh. And I agree, it's not that simple. But, I feel this why-don't-they-like-me mentality is that of a boy. I'm just being frank and blunt.

I'm goin' back to the Instagram Model v. the Librarian thing. For most of us; our "right/good woman" isn't gonna look like the women we lust after. And that may be the first thing killing us; being caught up on looks.

Seriously, where are these women that are turning down your smile? The mall? The club?

Volunteer for a cause that you care about and maybe you'll be able to approach a women with more than "Can I have your number?"

Don't forget what I said--a women know, too--even if you approach them "nice," they understand, before you open your mouth, you're not offering much different than the "thug."

It's a little hard to break down the guards of a complete stranger out in the "wild." Understand their guards shouldn't be something you take personally.

Most people don't have time to vet everyone, that approaches them, and see if their "geniune" or not.

One more thing that's kind of off topic about those jbo goons. While women would have sex with that convict and risk pregnancy because he's handsome to them even if they wouldn't date him, would you agree that he would probably give them what they want? Now the same for those women that get beat off to daily, you think they are risking pregnancy to give any of those jbo goons the time of the day?

Don't try to legitimize lust for porn stars. I will not, either.

Ya'll act like hardcore pimps, but, I'm sure the tables would be turned if those women were right in your face.

EDIT: I just re-read this

Sounds like the porn stars, strippers, etc. are more "nice" than the mugshot guy.

 

[The Burger King]

Let me point a few things out;

• There are some women out there who DO only chase after thugs, but I rarely come across them, and when I do, I avoid them like the plague. They're not the type of girls you should want in the first place (if you know the game), and that's where a lot of "nice guys" mess up.
• There are some guys out there who are legitimately nice people, but that is the only thing they have going for them, and that's not a lot. Imagine going to a job interview, and when the interviewer asks you to tell them about yourself, you say "Well... I'm nice."

I have friends who I would call "nice guys," and they have girlfriends, attractive ones too. But, that's because they actually have something going for themselves.

I have a friend, he's one of the nicest dudes you'll meet. But, he's a beast on the guitar and he always releases positive energy, which attracts women to him. They know they won't be bored around him, and they can show him off to their friends. And he doesn't bend over backwards to make his girlfriend happy either.

Women are attracted to accomplishment almost as much as they are attracted to physical looks. A lot of pissed off "nice guys" haven't accomplished anything, and aren't chasing any goals, which is how they have the time to come on the internet and bytch about women. Not only that, but if you look at those "nice guys of OKcupid" photos, you can see those guys in the photos have a lot of negative energy around them.

 

[714562]

Some dudes in here sound like they're one rejection away from shooting up a college campus.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

No need for . I believe this discussion is about finding a good woman. It's not every women's job to bent and contort herself to be a good woman to every man that wants them.

They're humans, too.

I'm sayin'; stop trying to fit the square peg into the round hole (no pun intended).

"Finding a good woman" isn't the discussion. Even though im not saying they should change themselves for every single man, it's not a bad idea for women to change themselves. They change themselves for other reasons, why not for a nice guy? Because they don't want to or have to but those women shouldn't expect a man to change for them either.

[EDIT: I don't think I really understand that post you used that SAS smilie on]
Your in another quote talmbout; "we'd hit those porn stars, we just wouldn't get 'em pregnant."

I kinda think ya'll would, because, Ya'll don't seem to understand the concept of movin' on to the next woman.

Flaking is disrespectful. And if your puttin' up with it, it's your fault for allowing her to do so.


Again, KIM (Keep It Movin').

This is the same forum that talks about how women's prime's are before 27,28 y.o., while ours are after our mid-30's. Especially (the way ya'll put it) in the looks department.

Maybe you just aren't in the right situation to find a real mate. Live your life.

Personal note: Right now, though "my heart is in the right place," I'm in a position to expect a woman to deal with me with the financial and emotion issues I'm goin' through, right now. Right now...

I want a "girl," but, I understand that it may not be the season for that. Season - Something us brehs have to understand. We can't have it all, all the time.

It'll happen, in due time.

You're saying move on move on, but that isn't addressing the issue at hand, which is the real discussion. It doesn't matter how many moves a nice guy makes if the result will be the same in most cases because of the stigmatism attached to them.

Perpetuating the idea that it's "not their time" or "not their season" because they haven't advanced enough in life is just a way to protect women from any blame and another link in the chain of commands men must adhere to, to be "worth it". Infact it's even called victim blaming, a term women use often.

Another thing women use often, is that they need someone who can "handle" them, so by not being aggressive in your pursuit you are still on the short side of the stick.

That sounds like the behavior of immature women. And if you want to waste time with them, then, prepare to keep havin' complaints.

We're in a new world than our parents.

Maybe the whole find-a-mate-get-married-young-and-long thing is over.

Maybe we need to let age weed out the "bad" from the "good women."

Maybe find one that's seasoned, didn't settle for a "thug," got passed up, and just happens to be over 30 and single. That's another outdated stereotype we have to get rid off (if your a woman and aren't married by 30, you're spoiled milk).

Maybe men need to just wait around for women to be bread by other men for a while until they "come to their senses" and THEN choose the nice guy? Then what is the point of searching? Nah Maybe what needs to happen is

for nice men to pull up those boot straps and give these women and men who support their irrational "behavior" that work so we can end that weird cycle that is placing nice guys in the same category as racist psychopathic killers and rapists and losers with nothing to offer unless they have money

I know "man up" is a bit harsh. And I agree, it's not that simple. But, I feel this why-don't-they-like-me mentality is that of a boy. I'm just being frank and blunt.

I'm goin' back to the Instagram Model v. the Librarian thing. For most of us; our "right/good woman" isn't gonna look like the women we lust after. And that may be the first thing killing us; being caught up on looks.

Here is the thing, that librarian IS the instagram model, when shes home dressing up just to take pictures, you guys need to get these women, who are average because there is millions of them everywhere, off these pedestals like they run the world.

Seriously, where are these women that are turning down your smile? The mall? The club?

Volunteer for a cause that you care about and maybe you'll be able to approach a women with more than "Can I have your number?"

Lets not make this about me, because it isn't.

Don't forget what I said--a women know, too--even if you approach them "nice," they understand, before you open your mouth, you're not offering much different than the "thug."

It's a little hard to break down the guards of a complete stranger out in the "wild." Understand their guards shouldn't be something you take personally.

Most people don't have time to vet everyone, that approaches them, and see if their "geniune" or not.

Smh @ you still saying thugs offer the same thing as nice men

Don't try to legitimize lust for porn stars. I will not, either.

Ya'll act like hardcore pimps, but, I'm sure the tables would be turned if those women were right in your face.

EDIT: I just re-read this

Sounds like the porn stars, strippers, etc. are more "nice" than the mugshot guy.

You didn't understand but you understand why bringing up pornstars offers no legit perceptions on real world dating, so why would you bring it up in the first place? Dont answer that question.

 

[chief_keef_stan]

 

[GoPro]

"Finding a good woman" isn't the discussion. Even though im not saying they should change themselves for every single man, it's not a bad idea for women to change themselves. They change themselves for other reasons, why not for a nice guy? Because they don't want to or have to but those women shouldn't expect a man to change for them either.






You're saying move on move on, but that isn't addressing the issue at hand, which is the real discussion. It doesn't matter how many moves a nice guy makes if the result will be the same in most cases because of the stigmatism attached to them.

Perpetuating the idea that it's "not their time" or "not their season" because they haven't advanced enough in life is just a way to protect women from any blame and another link in the chain of commands men must adhere to, to be "worth it". Infact it's even called victim blaming, a term women use often.

Another thing women use often, is that they need someone who can "handle" them, so by not being aggressive in your pursuit you are still on the short side of the stick.









Maybe men need to just wait around for women to be bread by other men for a while until they come to their senses and THEN choose the nice guy? Than what is the point of searching? Nah Maybe what needs to happen is

for nice men to pull up those boot straps and give these women and men who support their irrational "behavior" that work so we can end that weird cycle that is placing nice guys in the same category as racist psychopathic killers and rapists and losers with nothing to offer unless they have money






Here is the thing, that librarian IS the instagram model, when shes home dressing up just to take pictures, you guys need to get these women, who are average because there is millions of them everywhere, off these pedestals like they run the world.




Lets not make this about me, because it isn't.





Smh @ you still saying thugs offer the same thing as nice men






You didn't understand but you understand why bringing up pornstars offers no legit perceptions on real world dating, so why would you bring it up in the first place? Dont answer that question.

nikka please. Let's keep it real. The "nice guy" is the p*ssy who's too insecure to ask a chick out so he tries to wait for her to get sick of the the guys with actual balls. He waits for her to make the move. When she doesn't, he comes to the coli and whines about women.

Yea women should start asking men out more, but not because he's "nice" to her

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

nikka please. Let's keep it real. The "nice guy" is the p*ssy who's too insecure to ask a chick out so he tries to wait for her to get sick of the the guys with actual balls. He waits for her to make the move. When she doesn't, he comes to the coli and whines about women.

Yea women should start asking men out more, but not because he's "nice" to her

Nah, please nothing, all you can say is "nice guys are chumps" because you can't articulate a legit counter arguement.

 

[Axum Ezana]

well like I said before. if a woman likes thugs, stay in that lane you know... don't get beat and mistreated then try to come over to the other side when you are ugly, fat and out of shape. that's not right. if a "good man" accepts that type of behavior, then he deserves to be treated like a second class man.

also people are not realistic at all man. just because biggie got faith and jay-z got bey does not mean you can do that shyt. those men have money.....let me repeat they have MONEY.

you have to get with someone that's on your level(looks,money),but most common people refuse to and end up hurt ,bitter and scorned for the rest of their life.


also women go with bad boys because they are exciting to a certain extent. women do not like boring men or unexp guys a lot of times.

 

[Easy-E]

@Dirty_Jerz You're starting to argue in circles. So, I'll conclude with my positions and we'll agree to disagree.

1. Women aren't gonna change, for you, because of you being "nice."
2. Being "nice" entitles you to nothing.
3. "Nice" and "thug" are lazy labels ppl use to prop themselves up and put others down.
4. There are other fish in the sea. I seriously doubt all "nice guys" are at their wits end.
5. No one should have to deal with a disrespectful person. Move on.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

@Dirty_Jerz You're starting to argue in circles. So, I'll conclude with my positions and we'll agree to disagree.

1. Women aren't gonna change, for you, because of you being "nice."
2. Being "nice" entitles you to nothing.
3. "Nice" and "thug" are lazy labels ppl use to prop themselves up and put others down.
4. There are other fish in the sea. I seriously doubt all "nice guys" are at their wits end.
5. No one should have to deal with a disrespectful person. Move on.

No, im actually not, but we can disagree.

 

[Easy-E]

No, im actually not, but we can disagree.

1. You didn't have a problem with me sayin' "nice guys" offer a lot of the same things "thugs," just in a different package.
2. You turn the Instagram/Librarian thing into something that I was even makin' it out to be. There's a huge difference between a "regular girl" and that "hot and ready" dressed woman.
3. You completely dismissed the idea this is about us finding good women.

Yea, you kinda are...

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

1. You didn't have a problem with me sayin' "nice guys" offer a lot of the same things "thugs," just in a different package.
2. You turn the Instagram/Librarian thing into something that I was even makin' it out to be. There's a huge difference between a "regular girl" and that "hot and ready" dressed woman.
3. You completely dismissed the idea this is about us finding good women.

Yea, you kinda are...

Im not addressing any of that if you aren't addressing those paragraphs quote for quote, i didn't write that for it to be avoided, the reason you see a circle is because you're using circular logic to support your opinion

 

[feelosofer]

As a lifetime, nice guy, I think the biggest thing you can be is be yourself. Being nice doesn't mean being a doormat or a sissy, but it means being a man of your convictions and being honest with yourself. It doesn't mean trying to be perfect all the time but being perfectly comfortable in your own skin come what may.

 

[Easy-E]

Im not addressing any of that if you aren't addressing those paragraphs quote for quote, i didn't write that for it to be avoided, the reason you see a circle is because you're using circular logic to support your opinion

Okay, we're doin this, now.

 

[kermit da hustla]

because u dont claim to be nice u just are. u let ya actions speak for u. thats just like a mf always claiming they real , they usually not.

I guarantee most of these dudes who are labeled as "too nice" didn't go up to females and say, "I'm a nice guy. Let's go out." I'm sure they did let their actions speak for them, but those females felt they were "square" and "lame" and decided to fukk their GED having cousin wearing a pair of true religions and smelling like loud.