Why do poor people knowingly have children?

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this post lowkey reminds me of eugenics :patrice:
matter of fact this is kind similar to how in the past in certain parts of the south they would sterilize poor black women and even today how the california prison system forcibly sterilizes many back female inmates. ironically white feminists have nothing to say about those two particular situations but that's an issue for another thread :francis:

in a roundabout way OP and those cosigning him are really advocating for a world in which people's ability to reproduce is dictated by socioeconomic status :shaq2:

I find it ironic that these points of view are supposedly being espoused on a "black" website
some, if not all of us here have relatives and/or ancestors who's incomes don't come near this magic benchmark financially where it's ok to reproduce

there have been an innumerable amount of people born into less than 'ideal' circumstances and managed to live productive lives. did some of them end up being pieces of shyt? probably, but there's also probably the same percentage of people born into rich families who end up pieces of shyt.


OP's way of thinking is elitist at best :mjpls:
and something much more sinister at it's worst.
 

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What about rich people/inventors who were born in poor families? :ohhh: If their parents never had kids, the world would have missed out on what they contributed to society.

This is kinda stupid. You spend your whole life working/owning a business and you decide NOT to have kids...you basically end your bloodline, for what? Material possessions. :userious:To each his own I guess. :mjlol:

Social mobility is becoming less commonplace. Less than 30 percent of people move out of poverty in their lifetime.
 

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Poor people historicllay have always had more kids. You always hear of poor families with like 15 kids from way back in the day. All my grandparents had mad brothers and sisters
True...but the difference back then is that they all had them with the same man or woman and all lived in the same house and contributed to the family staying above water...today tho:francis:
 

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Thid question randomly popped up in my head while i was talking to a coworker of mine. He was talking about his new child about to be born. He was excited and rightfully so but i thought about our salary at this job and i was like :patrice: we only make like 30K a year. Me and him like the same age too. Why bring a kid into a situation like that? :ld:

Go over to the Philippines/Asian Countries, the Middle East and these Hispanic/Latin countries and ask the same question.

30k over there is like 200,000
 

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first, this would be voluntary, something people would opt into, if you do not opt in and have one child, you'd be eligible for government assistance via entitlement programs, if you have a second child while on government assistance, you would not be eligible for any government benefits for the second child unless you opt to have a reversible tubal ligation (tubes tied) post delivery.

secondly, this is just a hypothetical, I haven't considered which governing bodies would be responsible for enforcing this sort of program, and it's not exactly important as this is only hypothetical and the idea is only in the planning stages.

as far as your scenario goes, the foreigners wouldn't be criminals at all, they just wouldn't be eligible for government entitlement programs so it really wouldn't matter how much they earned a year, whether they can afford them or not is entirely their problem, they created six children and if they aren't able to afford those children, there's always the option to put some of them up for adoption.

This theoretical program would be created with those in poverty in mind, such a program would offer a reversible vasectomy or tubal ligation and also supplement that with government entitlements, and during the period that these parents aren't able to reproduce, they can spend their time learning new skills or trades, obtaining a higher education or serving in armed forces all while not having to worry about raising children they cannot afford to feed. when the person decides they are ready to bring a child into the world and they've met the criteria to be eligible for a reverse vasectomy or tubal ligation, they would have the procedure and then go onto procreate, the benefit of this is that the child would clearly have to be planned as the only reason to request a reverse procedure would be because that person wants to procreate.

In my opinion, bringing children into the world you can not afford is criminal, the hypothetical above does not suggest these people be imprisoned or criminalized, but if they continue their reckless behavior, birthing children they can't afford, they should not be rewarded with government benefits for their continued recklessness.

do you have a realistic alternative?

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this post lowkey reminds me of eugenics :patrice:
matter of fact this is kind similar to how in the past in certain parts of the south they would sterilize poor black women and even today how the california prison system forcibly sterilizes many back female inmates. ironically white feminists have nothing to say about those two particular situations but that's an issue for another thread :francis:

in a roundabout way OP and those cosigning him are really advocating for a world in which people's ability to reproduce is dictated by socioeconomic status :shaq2:

I find it ironic that these points of view are supposedly being espoused on a "black" website
some, if not all of us here have relatives and/or ancestors who's incomes don't come near this magic benchmark financially where it's ok to reproduce

there have been an innumerable amount of people born into less than 'ideal' circumstances and managed to live productive lives. did some of them end up being pieces of shyt? probably, but there's also probably the same percentage of people born into rich families who end up pieces of shyt.


OP's way of thinking is elitist at best :mjpls:
and something much more sinister at it's worst.

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this post lowkey reminds me of eugenics :patrice:
matter of fact this is kind similar to how in the past in certain parts of the south they would sterilize poor black women and even today how the california prison system forcibly sterilizes many back female inmates. ironically white feminists have nothing to say about those two particular situations but that's an issue for another thread :francis:

in a roundabout way OP and those cosigning him are really advocating for a world in which people's ability to reproduce is dictated by socioeconomic status :shaq2:

I find it ironic that these points of view are supposedly being espoused on a "black" website
some, if not all of us here have relatives and/or ancestors who's incomes don't come near this magic benchmark financially where it's ok to reproduce

there have been an innumerable amount of people born into less than 'ideal' circumstances and managed to live productive lives. did some of them end up being pieces of shyt? probably, but there's also probably the same percentage of people born into rich families who end up pieces of shyt.


OP's way of thinking is elitist at best :mjpls:
and something much more sinister at it's worst.
Forever a good breh in my book for this whole post, but this line specifically.

Goddamn this thread gave me a headache
 

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in a roundabout way OP and those cosigning him are really advocating for a world in which people's ability to reproduce is dictated by socioeconomic status :shaq2:
Some of you cats have a weird way of associating poor with Black. :francis: Irrespective of race, it should be apparent by now that some people, for all intents and purposes, are grown-up versions of children. Even if they were to have access to condoms or any other preventative methods that place responsibility on the user, the complaint would probably be: "but, but it feels so good without a condom" or "the effects associated with birth control." Now, a few months later, a new child is into the world that neither individual really wanted nor can either individual adequately provide for the child. Then, the cycle repeats itself. By definition, poor people are typically parasites. Children born to poor parents who manage to beat the odds are statistically insignificant. :yeshrug:
 

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Poor people historicllay have always had more kids. You always hear of poor families with like 15 kids from way back in the day. All my grandparents had mad brothers and sisters

The family dynamics were different back then. You didn't have people waiting to have kids like they do now. People were getting married at 18. People are more career driven now than ever before. There were also far, far fewer single parent households than than there are now.
 
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