Why do so many people on Twitter HATE Bernie?

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Worst part is that he DID kiss the ring. He campaigned for her, he told all his voters to vote for her. He just dared to give her a primary challenge first.

Crazy to remember how hateful many Clinton voters were towards Obama and how MORE of them avoided voting for Obama in the general than Bernie supporters avoided voting for Hillary (especially surprising because a lot of Bernie support came from 3rd-party folk who wouldn't dare touch a moderate dem). Yet they call Bernie a traitor for doing the same thing Clinton did in 2008.

Hillary had the women votes and it was wrong for her to do that .She doesn't get a pass. However, she was not out there shilling for Russia in order to split votes.

Bernie has been in Washington for over 3 decades . Tell me one piece of legislation he drafted . The Medicare for All movement came up only after Obamacare failed. Bernie is the king of legislations he knows won't pass but good ideas to explore.

Also, he needs to answer for his campaign hacking the DNC twice and giving the data to Manafort . He needs to be held accohntacco for that. He also needs to say why he never votes for sanctions against Russia?

Bernie is a fraud .

Also, let me mention he went to honetmoon in Russia . Nobody is stupid breh. Bernie is again there to sow discord.
 

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Why do they call him a traitor

a black person caring about traitors..being black for some is simply a hobby and not their life
Bernie sanders is an arrogant narcissistic fraud and a delusional man who has nice policy ideas with no idea how to get it to become reality. He wants racism and anti identity politics meaning anti identity civil rights to be accepted and mainstream in the democratic party. Bernie supporters refused to vote hillary and stayed home so i believe trump has a very good chance of getting releected. I will not support this piece of shyt under any circumstances. Miserable son of a bytch, he knew he had no chance of winning the nomination after the primary in the south and texas etc and yet he stayed in the race up till the convention drumming up hate and smearing hillary along with his despicable bernie bro supporters.

The earlier you accept trump getting relected in 2020 the more you can expose this piece of shyt for the fraud he is.

He voted for the crime bill
He voted against the brady bill

That alone should disqualify him.

Bernie sanders is worse than trump because he wants racism and white male hierarchy and identity politics to hated and become main stream on the left that is why he is so despicable. Him winning the nomination and getting elected will welcome white supremacy and white male hierachy in the democratic party. Thus it is a reasonable question to ask if he is any better than trump.

His supporters will cry rigged no matter what. Ignore them and accept it in your mind that trump has a very strong chance of winning re election that way his hateful supporters dont have anything to threaten you with like they did in 2016. His ideology and anti identity politics type of politics should be defeated and shown for the fraud it truly is, if that means trump relection at least then the bernie broes can be destroyed and never allowed legitimacy in the public square.
don't you stay in jbo? we don't need more fake black politicians and we don't need people like you telling us to accept crap because it has a black politican saying it.
 

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Hillary had the women votes and it was wrong for her to do that .She doesn't get a pass. However, she was not out there shilling for Russia in order to split votes.

Bernie has been in Washington for over 3 decades . Tell me one piece of legislation he drafted . The Medicare for All movement came up only after Obamacare failed. Bernie is the king of legislations he knows won't pass but good ideas to explore.

Also, he needs to answer for his campaign hacking the DNC twice and giving the data to Manafort . He needs to be held accohntacco for that. He also needs to say why he never votes for sanctions against Russia?

Bernie is a fraud .

Also, let me mention he went to honetmoon in Russia . Nobody is stupid breh. Bernie is again there to sow discord.
Manafort is a lobbyist. That what he does. It should be illegal, but it's not because your precious party loves that donor money. And there is no proof bernie was shilling for russia. Russia has had this guy in power since 2000, but became the official bad because hillary lost. And because of the hacking story, she is on record as the only person to have an entire private server (that she hid from obama). no other leader before or since globally has done this, not even her husband.

But anyway, this is why i was against nap being banned from the russiagate thread. you deserve him. this entire post I quoted is a bunch of dnc claptrap. Hillary sucked, her ideas were out of date, she didn't campaign, and no blaming of anyone else will change that.
 

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Did Bernie ever explain why he voted against the Magnitsky act? And he didn’t vote on the derpisaka sanctions? Why?
 

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You you have to lie to make your point, it's probably a bad point. :mjlol:



Hillary had the women votes and it was wrong for her to do that .She doesn't get a pass. However, she was not out there shilling for Russia in order to split votes.
Bernie wasn't shilling for Russia in order to split votes. :mjlol:




Also, he needs to answer for his campaign hacking the DNC twice and giving the data to Manafort . He needs to be held accohntacco for that.
He didn't hack the DNC and they didn't give any data to Manafort. :mjlol:




He also needs to say why he never votes for sanctions against Russia?
He has consistently supported sanctions against Russia, he didn't vote for them last time because the Repubs bundled them with sanctions against Iran and he thinks they're warmongering with Iran right now, he made that CLEAR.

Sanders Statement on Iran and Russia Sanctions

Why I Voted Against The Sactions Bill




Also, let me mention he went to honetmoon in Russia . Nobody is stupid breh.
They why do you believe "honeymoon in Russia" crap? :mjlol:

He went there on a prescheduled municipal "sister city" trip with 12 officials that happened to come right after his wedding:

George Will describes Bernie Sanders' Soviet Union honeymoon




Bernie is a fraud .
Based on your piles of fake Russia conspiracy. :mjlol:




Bernie has been in Washington for over 3 decades . Tell me one piece of legislation he drafted . The Medicare for All movement came up only after Obamacare failed. Bernie is the king of legislations he knows won't pass but good ideas to explore.
Because the Democrats are a bunch of neoliberals who refuse to pass anything Bernie proposes. Name ONE candidate who drafts meaningful game-changing legislation that has been passed since Sanders was in office?

But Sanders is literally the #1 person responsible for changing the debate so that stuff like this can get passed. No on is more responsible for moving the Overton Window than him.:yeshrug:
 

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Did Bernie ever explain why he voted against the Magnitsky act? And he didn’t vote on the derpisaka sanctions? Why?

He DID vote for the strongest version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015. He didn't vote for the weaker 2012 version because it was tied with a normalization of trade relations with Russia which he opposed.

The fact that Bernie Sanders (I-VT) voted against the so-called Magnitsky Act of 2012 imposing targeted sanctions on Russian oligarchs to punish the Putin regime for human rights abuses is often cited as “proof” by liberal conspiracy theorists that Sanders was somehow culpable in the Kremlin’s targeted effort to damage the candidacy of Hillary Clinton as part of their broader attack on the 2016 U.S. election.

What liberal conspiracy theorists won’t tell you is that Sanders was joined in voting nay by Carl Levin (D-MI), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), and Jack Reed (D-RI) none of whom stand accused by anyone of being Russian stooges.

What liberal conspiracy theorists won’t tell you is that the Obama administration opposed the Magnitsky Act. The administration flip-flopped only after the sanctions were attached to a bill normalizing trade relations with Russia, hence the bill’s official name: The Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012 (H.R. 6156).

What liberal conspiracy theorists won’t tell you is that Sanders voted for a second, more robust version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015.

What liberal conspiracy theorists won’t tell you is that Sanders supports imposing punitive sanctions targeting Putin and his oligarch cronies, supports the sprawling Russia counter-intelligence investigation of the 2016 election led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, denounces Russian aggression and Putin on a fairly regular basis, and during the 2016 presidential campaign supported sending more U.S. troops to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s (NATO) Eastern European members to deter Russia from attacking them the way it attacked Ukraine in 2014.

Clearly Sanders is no Putin stooge.

So although liberal conspiracy theorists are wrong that Sanders is somehow soft on or partial towards what he calls “the autocratic, nationalistic kleptocracy of Vladimir Putin,” the fact remains that he voted against the Magnitsky Act.

The question is: why?

The difficulty in answering this question is that Sanders issued no press release or statement during that time period outlining his position on the bill; made no speechon the Senate floor about the topic before casting his vote (neither did Levin, Reed, or Whitehouse); and was never questioned by the media about it.

Given that Sanders supports imposing punitive sanctions in principle on Russia (and other bad actors in the international state system), there are two likely reasons why he voted against the Magnitsky Act.

The first is that Sanders almost certainly opposed normalizing trade relations with Russia just as he opposed permanent normal trade relations (PNTR) with China. China and Russia (then the USSR) were designated as non-market economies under the Trade Act of 1974 which meant that trade relations with both of nations were subject to an annual review by Congress. Human rights abuses by both regimes inevitably came up during such reviews, so awarding PNTR to China (in 2000) and Russia (in 2012) was a way of eliminating regular discussion of these unsavory issues. In almost every discussion of U.S. trade policy, Sanders mentions his opposition to PNTR for China in the same breath as he denounces trade agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, and TPP, so the likelihood that he voted against the 2012 version of the Magnitsky Act since it awarded PNTR to Russia seems high. When Chuck Todd asked Sanders on NBC’s Meet the Press in 2015,“So basically, there’s never been a single trade agreement this country’s negotiated that you’ve been comfortable with?”, Sanders’ response was, “that’s correct.”

The second possibility is that Sanders may have agreed with Levin’s objections to the final version of the 2012 Magnitsky Act. Levin’s remarks on the Senate floor were later reproduced as a statement on his (now-defunct) Senate website:

“… the Magnitsky language before us is not the Magnitsky language adopted by our Finance and Foreign Relations committees. Their Magnitsky language applied the same sanctions to human rights violators wherever they might be — whether in Russia, or Syria, or Sudan, or North Korea, or China, or in any other country.

“In other words, the Senate committee-approved bill wisely adopted a global Magnitsky standard. The reasoning for this is sound, because while the mechanism of U.S. visa denial for human rights violators was inspired by a single case in a single nation, the principles that it seeks to advance are universal. This bipartisan Senate committee bill, unlike the House-passed version of the Magnitsky Act that we will soon vote on, does not single out Russian human-rights violators for visa denial, but would apply the visa denial mechanism to people from any country who violate important human rights standards. The United States should be clear and firm in its commitment to protecting human rights, wherever the violations occur, and to holding those who violate those rights accountable to the best of our ability, including denying them visas to come to our country. Human rights do not end at the borders of Russia, and anyone who violates those standards, as so many did so blatantly in the case of Sergei Magnitsky, should be held accountable.

“Applying the Magnitsky provisions globally, as the Senate bill approved by our committees did, follows in the spirit of Jackson-Vanik, which, while inspired by events in the Soviet Union, was not limited to the Soviet Union.

“The Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Finance Committee both voted unanimously to report a version of the Magnitsky bill that applies its sanctions globally. Senators Cardin and Kyl have worked, on a bipartisan basis, to build support for that global standard, and I strongly support their effort. I commend them on their effort.

“So why is that Senate committee-reported bill not before the Senate? Why would we deny visas only to Russian human rights violators? Why diminish the universality of the values the Magnitsky bill seeks to uphold?

“Applying the sanctions contained in this bill solely to Russians, as the House version does, not only diminishes a universal value. Because it adds a political twist — it will stoke a nationalistic response in Russia. If this bill does not apply the same rule to all human-rights violators, if it singles out Russian human-rights violators, President Putin will no doubt appeal to the nationalistic passions of many Russians by saying that our bill isn’t aimed at protecting human rights, but is aimed at Russia. We should not hand President Putin that argument.”

Levin voted nay on the 2012 Magnitsky Act as a protest vote against the Republican-controlled House of Representatives narrowing the bill’s scope to focus solely on Russian oligarchs whereas the original bill would have applied to all human rights-abusing regimes and their respective oligarchs generally. Since neither Senators Whitehouse nor Reed issued statements about why they voted the final bill down, we can only speculate as to their reasoning.

Since Sanders voted for the Affordable Care Act despite the fact that it fell well short of his preferred Medicare for All single-payer plan and voted for many Iraq war funding bills even though he was against that war, it seems unlikely that he wold vote down the 2012 Magnitsky Act because it was flawed. He generally votes for flawed legislation (like the 1994 crime bill) and then works to fix the flaws later. When he votes against a bill, it is because he thinks the legislation will do more harm than good.

In conclusion, the most likely explanation for why Sanders voted against the 2012 Magnitsky Act is because he opposed normalizing trade relations with Russia. When a stronger, more consistent version of the Magnitsky Act came up for a vote in 2015 at the beginning of the Kremlin’s election interference campaign, he voted the right way.


And he missed the depisaka vote because the scandal with his staffers who had been accused of sexual harassment had just broke and he was still in a meeting with the accusers. It was already known that his vote wouldn't be decisive either way. If he was really a Russian agent, wouldn't he have shown up for a meaningingless vote just to cover his tracks?
 

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He DID vote for the strongest version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015. He didn't vote for the weaker 2012 version because it was tied with a normalization of trade relations with Russia which he opposed.




And he missed the depisaka vote because the scandal with his staffers who had been accused of sexual harassment had just broke and he was still in a meeting with the accusers. It was already known that his vote wouldn't be decisive either way. If he was really a Russian agent, wouldn't he have shown up for a meaningingless vote just to cover his tracks?

Bernie should hire you as PR because he was smart enough to say any of the jibberish you just typed .
 

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Liberal conspiracy theorist :mjlol: none of that stuff answered my question, just someone else’s opinion on it. That’s a fairly hyper defense for what is a completely normal question. Yea i didn’t hear about anything with a scandal with his staffers, but yes the sanctions vote is more important.
 

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Bernie sanders is an arrogant narcissistic fraud and a delusional man who has nice policy ideas with no idea how to get it to become reality.

Breh, there is NO ONE who has done more to make liberal policy ideas become reality than Bernie. His 2016 campaign single-handedly moved to Overton window to make those ideas actually become possible. Before then nothing had a chance of passing in neoliberal/neocon congresses.



He wants racism and anti identity politics meaning anti identity civil rights to be accepted and mainstream in the democratic party.
:mjlol:



Bernie supporters refused to vote hillary and stayed home so i believe trump has a very good chance of getting releected.
Bullshyt, 90% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general and most of the rest weren't ever Democrats anyway.



I will not support this piece of shyt under any circumstances. Miserable son of a bytch, he knew he had no chance of winning the nomination after the primary in the south and texas etc and yet he stayed in the race up till the convention drumming up hate and smearing hillary along with his despicable bernie bro supporters.
:mjlol:

He conceded two weeks before the convention to ensure that it would be a Hillary coronation. And the South didn't decide the race, especially after the Michigan win he still had chances until probably the week of the Missouri primary. Hillary stayed in the race 3 months after her chances of winning were over too.



The earlier you accept trump getting relected in 2020 the more you can expose this piece of shyt for the fraud he is.
What is that shyt? :why:



He voted for the crime bill

That alone should disqualify him.
:dead::dead::dead:

Wait, so the man who HATED the crime bill should be disqualified, but you were caping for the woman who LED the crime bill? :dahell:

This is what Bernie had to say about the crime bill:







Bernie sanders is worse than trump because he wants racism and white male hierarchy and identity politics to hated and become main stream on the left that is why he is so despicable. Him winning the nomination and getting elected will welcome white supremacy and white male hierachy in the democratic party. Thus it is a reasonable question to ask if he is any better than trump.

:mindblown:
 

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Bernie should hire you as PR because he was smart enough to say any of the jibberish you just typed .
That sentence doesn't make any sense, but campaigns usually don't bother responding to dumbass conspiracy theories. It's considered counterproductive to even give them the credence of airtime.



Liberal conspiracy theorist :mjlol: none of that stuff answered my question, just someone else’s opinion on it. That’s a fairly hyper defense for what is a completely normal question. Yea i didn’t hear about anything with a scandal with his staffers, but yes the sanctions vote is more important.
The scandal with his staffers was talked about here on Higher Learning for over a week. It was a big deal if you follow politics, but he dealt with it the right way and that's why it didn't fester.

Essential - "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread


How is that less important than a literally meaningless vote? They needed 3 more votes to stop the move, Bernie's vote couldn't make the difference so he stayed in the meeting. He's got receipts, those women were making accusations against his campaign so they EASILY could have called bullshyt on him if he had made up the claim.

And how was it a "hyper defense"? Is someone asks a question in reference to the conspiracy that Sanders is literally a Russian agent, what kind of defense do you think should be made?
 

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@Rhakim Bernie voted no for the tallied vote in 2012.

The 2015 vote was done via unanimous content.

That doesn't necessarily mean everyone supported it. More often than not it means those who oppose it know it's going to pass anyway and there's no point in opposing. Considering the margin of the 2012 vote it's same to assume that is the case here.

With that being said it doesn't offset his consistent record of voting no on tallied votes of similar bills/actions.

So it's certainly not liberal conspiracy theory to ask why Sanders has either opposed or been hesitant to enact tough sanctions on russia.
 

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So it's certainly not liberal conspiracy theory to ask why Sanders has either opposed or been hesitant to enact tough sanctions on russia.

It's already a conspiracy theory when you claim that he has "opposed" or "been hesitant to enact" tough sanctions on Russia when he has explicitly favored tough sanctions on Russia, when there are zero receipts of him opposing sanctions on Russia, and he has never been the vote stopping sanctions from being enacted.

You can't take a 2012 vote against sanctions on Iran and claim it was him being "opposed to tough sanctions on Russia" just because someone bundled them together. There were multiple other Democrats and Independents who also voted no on the bundled Iran and Russia bill, and none of them have the same silly conspiracy theory around them. You can't take his voiced support for a 2018 move and then claim he opposed it just because he missed a vote - Senators miss votes all the time and his vote was not decisive so it made no difference.

It's a dumb conspiracy because the claim is that he's openly supporting sanctions on Russia while secretly opposing them, and the only evidence for him secretly opposing them is votes that make NO DIFFERENCE on whether Russia is sanctioned or not. What kind of stupid agent would that be? What possible benefit would it be to Russia or to Bernie for him to voice support for sanctions, and then miss a vote that makes no difference? Someone needs to explain that before I'm going to change my opinion that it's a really, really dumb conspiracy theory.
 

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I guess :yeshrug: Regardless, if Bernie emerges as the 2020 dem candidate, I’ll vote for him. The Magnitsky and Deripaska stuff will always be suspicious. To not show up for a vote on Russia Sanctions in 2018, regardless of the reason (unless it’s health based) isn’t a good look.
 
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