Why Do So Many Women Walk Around W A Chip On Their Shoulder?

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What makes this particular societal norm incorrect and worth pushing back against? To whom is it bringing harm?

Harm doesn't necessarily have to be a qualifier for something to be incorrect. If you see a child wandering on the sidewalk towards traffic while their parent isn't paying attention, will you pull the child away from traffic expecting thanks or will you pull the child away because you believe it's the right thing to do.

If we're acting in ways that seek to net kind responses instead acting in those ways because it's the correct thing to do, then we should reassess our behaviors and question our true motivations.
 

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When societal norms are incorrect we should push back against them, if we want to call ourselves men, then we should do what's correct and just in spite of societal norms. If I'm walking through a door and someone isn't too far behind me coming through the same door, I hold the door whether it's a man or woman. I don't expect anything in return because the reason I hold the door is because I personally believe it'd be rude of me to let a door close in someone's face, so it's about me, not about me doing something "nice" and expecting a thank you.
Yeah I understand both PoVs

If a person is doing something nice for me, I go out of my way to express my gratitude

At the same time, if I'm doing something nice for someone else, I don't expect anything in return because I'm being nice because I choose to, not necessarily to be given a pat on the head for my actions
 

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How could you possibly conclude that the person who the door was held for felt entitled to that act?

Quite easily, actually. Societal expectations of chivalry. Holding a door for a woman is just one of those expectations and women feel entitled to them. There are others but I'm not going to go off into a tangent on this particular point so I'll end this thread of discussion here.
 

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Yeah I understand both PoVs

If a person is doing something nice for me, I go out of my way to express my gratitude

At the same time, if I'm doing something nice for someone else, I don't expect anything in return because I'm being nice because I choose to, not necessarily to be given a pat on the head for my actions

I'm pretty much the same way. If someone does something nice for me, I'm quick to thank them but I don't expect others to respond to things the way I would.
 

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How could you possibly conclude that the person who the door was held for felt entitled to that act? The person was going through the door whether it's held open or not. The only case where you could reach such a conclusion is if you're approaching a door and you see women posted up waiting for someone to hold the door for them.

The point I'm making here is that unsolicited acts of kindness should not be done with expectations, if you're not doing them because you feel it's something you want to do, then simply don't do it. Let that door close in her face if you want a thank you for holding it.

Here’s another example then. A few nights ago, a complete stranger paid for my and my gf’s lobster dinner. I wasn’t expecting it and wasn’t posted up in the restaurant waiting for someone to buy me food. Should I have not said thank you? Should I have looked at him as if I didn’t ask for it so move on with your (his) life?
 

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You're arguing against societal standards, norms, human interaction and mental wiring. I'm not going to say whether you're right or wrong at this time. I will, however, notate this position for future reference.
Why bother? In 5 minutes this clown gonna be in another thread talmbout

"How dare you toxic males not outline your intentions for a relationship from the onset, you owe her that much. How dare you not be respectful and courteous, you black men have no decency or respect! Rape by deception!!"

Next thread
"She can do what she wants, nobody owes you nothing, youre entitled for expecting deceny and common courtesy :francis:"
 

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He derailed the thread and left like usual.
Why bother? In 5 minutes this clown gonna be in another thread talmbout

"How dare you toxic males not outline your intentions for a relationship from the onset, you owe her that much. How dare you not be respectful and courteous, you black men have no decency or respect! Rape by deception!!"

Next thread
"She can do what she wants, nobody owes you nothing, youre entitled for expecting deceny and common courtesy :francis:"

He legit thinks hes smarter then everyone else and can spin any BS talking point successfully.

Hes not pulling it off in this thread so he's already falling back
 

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Holding a door for a woman is just one of those expectations and women feel entitled to them.
Yes, I do. :russ:

But I have my part too. He makes me feel delicate, I appreciate his manliness. We both walk away happy. What about that could be bad?

To answer the question in the op, they walk around mad bc the men in their lives have treated them roughly. It hardens them to the point where they don't even remember how to be soft. (And they sometimes hate the women who do, which is fair, cuz they been hurt.)
 

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Here’s another example then. A few nights ago, a complete stranger paid for my and my gf’s lobster dinner. I wasn’t expecting it and wasn’t posted up in the restaurant waiting for someone to buy me food. Should I have not said thank you? Should I have looked at him as if I didn’t ask for it so move on with your (his) life?

You should have done exactly what you felt was correct, I would have told the person thank you because that's how I personally respond to acts of kindness. Surely you can imagine another male responding to the situation differently, insulted that someone would pay for their food while he's with his girl. If I pay for a stranger's food, I'd do so because it's something I wanted to do for them, not because I expect anything in return from them.
 
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