It doesn't really fit his play style or skill set all that well honestly. He's a ball-dominant player, that's just who he is. The Cavs had the 3rd best ORtg in the NBA, offense wasn't really the problem. The problem was defense. The Cavs were 22nd in DRtg and in the finals opponents shot nearly 7% higher than they normally do when guarded by LeBron, a rate which would've place LeBron in the bottom 5 of the entire NBA among players who played at least 50 games. The defense was atrocious, and Bron's defense was atrocious. You can't beat a team this good offensively with that bad of a defense.
Why does Lebron refuse to go to a ball movement-heavy offense?
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1. I answered your ridiculous question already. I said he shouldn't stop playing. Just b/c the game is out of hand doesn't mean he should quit. Is this CLEAR?
It also doesn't mean his last several baskets mean anything other than just empty points.
2. Example: If you're a team getting blown out by 40 the entire game, and you close the final score to within 10 in garbage time, it doesn't tell the whole story no matter what the final stats say. And you had NO chance at winning even as you were closing this gap.
3. If Lebron was still trying to really win, then when they were down 9 with 20 secs left, he should've been intentionally fouling. He didnt tho...
Tell me why he didn't?
Bilz
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It isn't hard to answer though. It was the same way for every ball dominant player we have seen.
1. If you're still playing in a game you will record stats. Whether that be a rebound, assist, block, steal, or pts. That's not stat padding, unless he quits on the court it's damn near impossible for a player of his caliber not to get stats breh. Whether that helps his team or not is depending on the circumstance but if he's in the game at any point he will get stats. 2. Again unless he sits out he will get stats. That isn't him purposely trying to get stats but a product of playing breh. This stats not meaning he will win doesn't mean he should stop playing.3. I don't know if it was a team decision not to intentionally foul or a LeBron decision so I can't comment on that without the facts. 4. Y'all dudes need to stop getting your talking points from Skip Bayless. He is a troll and when you use his arguing points you look silly because they aren't logical. You up here saying he should keep trying but he shouldn't pad stats. If he keeps trying he will inevitably get stats breh.1. I answered your ridiculous question already. I said he shouldn't stop playing. Just b/c the game is out of hand doesn't mean he should quit. Is this CLEAR?
It also doesn't mean his last several baskets mean anything other than just empty points.
2. Example: If you're a team getting blown out by 40 the entire game, and you close the final score to within 10 in garbage time, it doesn't tell the whole story no matter what the final stats say. And you had NO chance at winning even as you were closing this gap.
3. If Lebron was still trying to really win, then when they were down 9 with 20 secs left, he should've been intentionally fouling. He didnt tho...
Tell me why he didn't?
Voice of Reason
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they dont have enough good facilitators as accuracy and bball IQ on the team. bron is the only one that sees the floor well enough to play that type of system and can read and react. are you going to depend on JR smith, shumpert, and thompson to do that ?
Exactly if Kyrie and TT had Curry and Draymonds basketball IQ and playmaking abilities they would they would be almost impossible to beat.
Bron's GMing has left teams in shambles or depleted after he's done with them. He wanted 'his pieces' around him so bad when he came back to CLE that he probably ruined the team's future for at least a decade if he leaves.
Can you imagine how crazy this series would have been if Andrew Wiggins was still on the Cavs? That's the type of player that Bron needs right now too... so he doesn't have to defend the KDs and the Kawhi Leonards of the world
No, all we are all saying his stats are padded. Not that he shouldnt keep trying. Keep playing....score another 20 if you want...but it doesnt really mean anything. Someone can drop 50 in a blowout loss....30 of it comes when the game is decided it means NOTHING.
He can score all he wants. But we recognize they dont mean anything.
20 years from now somene will see "oh Lebron scored 41 in final game....WOW"
Misleading. But I'm done.
Voice of Reason
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The guy averaged a triple double and is still clearly the best player in the league
Voice of Reason
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I'm not even a Bron stan but some of you all's reasoning for hating on him is hilarious.
David_TheMan
Banned
Try reading that whole sentence breh, SMHThey guy averaged a triple double and is still clearly the best player in the league
Voice of Reason
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Remember when Kobe abandoned the Kobe system late in his career?
Bron has been to 8 Finals playing his way, kinda hard to convince him to do things differently and kinda pointless when the example is "play more like GSW"
Cavs offense is perfectly fine against every team, save one and even in the finals they weren't "bad". Defense is the problem.
That and the role players didn't do shyt. Kyle Korver was useless and Trisitan Thompson got outplayed by ZaZa and Javele Mcghee
Marc Spector
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Bron's GMing has left teams in shambles or depleted after he's done with them. He wanted 'his pieces' around him so bad when he came back to CLE that he probably ruined the team's future for at least a decade if he leaves.
Can you imagine how crazy this series would have been if Andrew Wiggins was still on the Cavs? That's the type of player that Bron needs right now too... so he doesn't have to defend the KDs and the Kawhi Leonards of the world
Naw I disagree with this vehemently.
Wiggins wouldnt have developed in the "championship or bust" climate of the Cavs. thats way too much to ask of a player who is JUST entering his third season in the NBA.
Lmao so are we only doing that for LeBron or every NBA player who has scored when the game is out of reach. Hell Golden State blew out everyone in the playoffs but I didn't hear any of this stat padding talk when they scored if the game was out of reach. I don't hear this talk when MJ or Kobe scored if the game was out of reach. This stat padding shyt is a new term applied to LeBron and pushed by Skip Bayless.
You do realize LeBron career started by playing for coaches not known for offense.I don't know if he would actually give a shyt about his stats taking a hit...But that's not his game.... He's been very successful tailoring teams and teammates to cater to his playstyle...It kinda is what it is... He's like a 6'8 more efficient Russell Westbrook with a better team around him... His teams inevitably become less than the sum of it's parts (guys like bosh and love end up with a fraction of their normal impact) but he's had stacked enough teams and individually great enough to where it ultimately doesn't matter sometimes ... To me it's only an issue when we start getting the "
poor LeBron has to do everything...He needs more help" shyt pops up EVERY time he loses... Especially when he's damn near handpicked his revolving door of allstars and Bron ball shooters to play with for like the entirety of his prime and killed coaches that wanted to implement a more modern motion based offense to bring puppets in... It can't be both ways
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I don't know if he would actually give a shyt about his stats taking a hit...But that's not his game
Best sf of all time ya bish
exactly