Why doesn't Giannis get blame for the Bucks postseason failures since the 2021 NBA Finals?

How much blame should go to Giannis?


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Its hard to blame someone when hes been injured and did NOT play in 22 and 23. This year dame had clots and torn his achilies. Its all about context. Greek is a threat to joker thats why @Gil Scott-Heroin goes so hard against him. Thus you see the overrated defender thread being bumped. Yeah hali cooked him down the stretch but thats an all star all nba nikka.
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So now we making excuses for stars getting cooked now? We going back to pretending like he’s some great defender too?
 

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When yall gon realize that superstar players can't win by themselves anymore? The overall team matters more now. Giannis played great but he can only do so much.

If your team has a big weakness it's gonna get exposed in the playoffs.

Indiana was a bad match up for the bucks. Just like Minnesota is bad for the Lakers.
 
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Greek is a PF, Hali is a quick PG. They kept switching the P&R and a small cooked a big.

That isnt earth shattering

How soon they forget


The fact you had to go back and post a defensive highlight from the 2021 Finals proves my point I said earlier in the thread -

It's less about the blame that he's received, or lack thereof, and more about how it's quickly forgotten about and how folks continue to rank him entirely based off what he did in the '21 Finals. Nothing since then has seemed to matter when judging him.
 

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If Hanlon had been alive during the forum era, he would have used his razor to cut his wrists. Not that you all aren't fukking stupid, but God damn :gucci:
 
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Because he's averages 30 when he actually plays with great defense? :dahell:

Bro almost solo'd the Celtics two years ago with no Middleton

I dont think I've ever seen them lose in the playoffs and been like "Man, if Giannis was better, they'd have won"
How many times do you see Giannis playing great defense?

Because if you watch the Bucks regularly, rarely ever do you see that from him. And it stands to reason he's not playing that level of defense largely because of the offensive load he has to carry, and because he's not particularly strong at defending any type of matchup (he struggles in the post against bigs and he can't move laterally fast enough to defend wings and guards). He provides weakside help on occasion, but it's not to any great level, all because he's conserving his energy for offense.

He was getting cooked multiple times from Indiana just yesterday. I saw him regularly not make proper rotations and being late on closeouts.

Rarely ever do you see him setting the tone, defensively. You don't see him guard the opposition's best player. You don't see him being his team's main defensive anchor.

He ain't doing that.
 

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The fact you had to go back and post a defensive highlight from the 2021 Finals proves my point I said earlier in the thread -

It's less about the blame that he's received, or lack thereof, and more about how it's quickly forgotten about and how folks continue to rank him entirely based off what he did in the '21 Finals. Nothing since then has seemed to matter when judging him.

I think you're a little to logical about sports. We mainly just like hating, any excuse we give for why we don't blame people for the same failures is made up. But if other people start calling it out we'll jump in too, we just don't go first :pachaha:
 

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The only one I give Giannis a LITTLE shyt for is the 2023 Miami series but he also only really played games four and five.

He was injured and missed last year's playoffs.

This year, he averaged 33/15.4/6.6 on 61% shooting. Who's blaming him for Gary Trent Jr. being Milwaukee's second leading scorer against Indy?

In 2022, Middleton was out, Jrue was AWFUL and Pat Connaughton was their third leading scorer against Boston. Giannis averaged 33.9/14.7/7.1 and it took an all-time performance by Tatum in game six to save that series (Giannis had 44/20/6 in that game).

It is madness if anyone is truly blaming Giannis for Milwaukee's shortcomings when they've had horrendous injury luck and his team has gotten progressively worse around him the past four years. I believe they would have repeated in 2022 if Middleton was healthy.
Boy, this is a statement that is super favorable to Giannis 😆

The team construction and injury-riddled teammates arent his fault; but we've seen teams and All-Time players overcome these obstacles to greater success. A guy who is purportedly as historically great as Giannis, we are now 3 years and counting since he won a series...

He shares blame in this. And its not simply about the last 3 years either, his playoff career is littered with choke jobs, "convenient" injuries during playoff time, and moments he himself could be better...

I think the bigger issue here is the dynamic some of you guys have that, winning a championship is the trump card that forgives all else. That works of you're a guy on the level of like, Rondo. It doesn't work when people consider you arguably the greatest player alive and historical consensus, a Top 30 player. Moreover to this point. 2021 is the only playoff run he has where he was great start to finish...

It's unconscionable to me that yall excuse his entire resume for one season; or team construction; or injuries and injured teammates; etc. There is a pattern in his career------>he's a great player but maybe he's just not as great as we all thought he could be.

He shares the blame pie for that.
Bro almost solo'd the Celtics two years ago with no Middleton

I dont think I've ever seen them lose in the playoffs and been like "Man, if Giannis was better, they'd have won"
You two nikkas must've never really followed his career, then. I can think of a minimum of 5 series that if he played better, the Bucks win (that doesn't include this year, though)...
:gucci: I don’t remember a time the Bucks lost a series and thought “they coulda won but Giannis didn’t step up “

nikka been injured and when is out there he be literally doing everything

Everything ain’t gotta be a blame game .
 

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because he doesn't beg to have the roster changed, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, his best teammates have gotten hurt and he shows up every quarter
Traded Jrue Holiday for Dame Lillard and gave away a championship piece to the Celtics
Traded franchise legend Middleton and their only future asset AJ Johnson for Kyle Kuzma
3 coaches in 3 years

Gets to make a speech everytime he's eliminated and people praise it
 

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Giannis is the only milwaukee buck that started in game 1 and game 5
that's how garbage the roster is

Kuzma, rollins, lopez, prince were so garbage they were benched for 3 guys making 3 mill each this year and bobby portis

breh played 44 min yesterday had 30 points 20 rebound and 13 assists, hit 9 straight free throws at one point, but you got a cac like gil scott heroin questioning him :dahell:
 

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Look at who he was playing with today

Doc had to Ben ch 3 starters because they were given nothing

All this talk about Giannis when a stacked clippers team is down 3-1

Bron and doncic down 3-1
Kawhi, Harden, and LeBron are all old players post-prime, or at the very last vestiges of it...

If you wanna play the "look who they playing with" game, this Lakers roster isnt remotely championship ready. They have two stars, one of which is FORTY, and two consistently good role players. No interior presence and nothing else...

The Clippers have stayed afloat in this series when Harden or Kawhi's old asses could turn the clock back. The supporting cast is cast-offs like Dunn and Simmons, and Powell being inconsistent. Zu has been good...

Milwaukee's team construct is bad though and Giannis played well enough this series to win. First time in years you can honestly say that about him...
Its hard to blame someone when hes been injured and did NOT play in 22 and 23. This year dame had clots and torn his achilies. Its all about context. Greek is a threat to joker thats why @Gil Scott-Heroin goes so hard against him. Thus you see the overrated defender thread being bumped. Yeah hali cooked him down the stretch but thats an all star all nba nikka
Giannis played all of '22 and last 3 ganes of the '23 playoffs. If you're not strong enough to be out there, like last year, you dont play...

Yall didnt keep this same energy at all when Bron was playing thru injury and with limited teammates. And he was in the fukking Finals every year, which is more than you can say for ANY of these guys...

But I get it. There's a LeBron standard, and a significantly lowered one for everyone else...
When yall gon realize that superstar players can't win by themselves anymore? The overall team matters more now. Giannis played great but he can only do so much.

If your team has a big weakness it's gonna get exposed in the playoffs.

Indiana was a bad match up for the bucks. Just like Minnesota is bad for the Lakers.
What NBA era were superstar players winning by themselves?
How many times do you see Giannis playing great defense?

Because if you watch the Bucks regularly, rarely ever do you see that from him. And it stands to reason he's not playing that level of defense largely because of the offensive load he has to carry, and because he's not particularly strong at defending any type of matchup (he struggles in the post against bigs and he can't move laterally fast enough to defend wings and guards). He provides weakside help on occasion, but it's not to any great level, all because he's conserving his energy for offense.

He was getting cooked multiple times from Indiana just yesterday. I saw him regularly not make proper rotations and being late on closeouts.

Rarely ever do you see him setting the tone, defensively. You don't see him guard the opposition's best player. You don't see him being his team's main defensive anchor.

He ain't doing that.
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