Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?

[SirBiatch]

catchy music is usually dumbed down to please the ignorant masses
therefore making the music sucky so they can sell

and the records on the radio are usually actual trash
people can make catchy music without it being trash

Mo Money, Mo Problems a classic song and it's really catchy with quotables
so is California Love, as is CREAM, Nuthin But a G Thang, etc...

but the thing about all those songs is the rapping is good and are by some of the best rappers and are on some of the best albums

it's just the era we live in where the radio hits are by bad artist that focus on making catchy music but not having good rapping in it

it's not even that the artists are 'bad'. It's the fact that so-called hip hop of today is blatant pop with an "urban" twist.

When the 90s cats started crossing over, they weren't making blatant pop with an urban twist. They were making HIP HOP songs. They were still firmly in the hip hop genre. A genre that most people just weren't fukking with. Some of those hip hop songs had deliberate crossover potential, others didn't.

It's not the same shyt.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

save your juelz for someone who cares

how many times are you gonna post the same barely-on-topic random articles?

The articles are very on topic and you cared enough to respond to them and lastly, I can't take a cat who think's he knows hiphop when he didn't even hear Illmatic until the 2000's.

Bro I don't know what u tryna spin this into but I pointed out what u specifically directed at me. U said u prolly heard Illmatic before me but in reality u heard it damn near a full decade after me. U got caught out there bruh. Just leave it alone at this point. Lol

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dj-v...-only-good-album.412082/page-21#post-18382296


Don't think I didn't notice the white chick giving you that Ether

Guarantee this fakkit Sir Biatch gonna dodge the fact that one of the biggest and most iconic influenced hip hop groups was influenced by a pop influenced hip hop groups and rappers from an entire different coast cause it doesn't fit into his idealism and revisionism of hip hop

Dude loves pretending he knows about hip hop more than he actually does yet shyts all over legends and never heard most classic regarded albums until 2 years ago

 

[mobbinfms]

thats exactly my point. All of the macro genres are "pop"

I disagree. Hip hop is not pop.

all those groups performed watered down blue eyed soul-modern R&B

I'm not familar with Backstreet Boys like that...but I Want it That Way is not blue-eyed soul.

for the last time, pop is not a genre

I disagree.

 

[Taadow]

For example, The Weeknd released his album Beauty Behind the Madness and people say he fell off. However, BBTM was his catchiest album and the one album that is very easy to digest. It's fun.

In hip-hop, Drake dropped Views and it has fun records, but people say that it's bad because Drake went pop. J.Cole dropped "Work Out" and people claimed that he sold out, but "Work Out" is one of his best songs to me.

Is music automatically worse if it's catchy? Isn't that the point of music?

For hip-hop: because it's not "hardcore".
Hip-hop music is supposedly from the streets, and the streets aren't "jingley" and poppish.

For R&B: it's trite.
R&B is the child of blues, it's supposed to have "soul" and be about real feelings.
Pop songs are just music for the sake of making music.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I disagree. Hip hop is not pop.

I'm not familar with Backstreet Boys like that...but I Want it That Way is not blue-eyed soul.

Some background info on them and their style

Biography
The Backstreet Boys were, in many ways, a contradictory band. Comprised entirely of white middle-class Americans, the group sang a hybrid of new jack balladry, hip-hop, R&B, and dance club pop that originally found its greatest success in Canada and Europe, with their 1996 debut album charting in the Top Ten in nearly every country on the Continent. Ironically, success in their native land did not follow until nearly two years later, when teen pop enjoyed a commercial explosion in America. Along with such artists as *NSYNC and Britney Spears, the Backstreet Boys rose to the forefront of popular music during the turn of the 21st century, with albums like Backstreet's Back, Millennium, and Black & Blue enjoying worldwide success. The core of the Backstreet Boys was comprised of cousins Kevin Richardson and Brian Littrell, both of whom hailed from Lexington, Kentucky. The two began singing in local church choirs and festivals while they were children, performing doo wop and R&B songs in the style of Boyz II Men. Two of the group's other members, Howie Dorough and A.J. McLean, were natives of Orlando, Florida, who met each other -- as well as transplanted New Yorker Nick Carter -- through auditions for local commercials, theater, and television. At one audition, the three discovered that they shared an affection for classic soul and could harmonize well together. Inspired, they formed a vocal trio. Shortly thereafter, Richardson moved to Orlando, where he became a tour guide at Disney World and concentrated on music at night.

Backstreet Boys on Apple Music

everything in their style pints back to R&Bwhat "pop" style of music had these vocal stylings before R&B?




this is like some watered down white version of 90's R&B/new jack swing

I disagree.

 

[SirBiatch]

The articles are very on topic and you cared enough to respond to them

Those articles are off-topic as fukk. If you wanna post receipts about what pop is, then post articles that deal entirely with the definition/history of pop and how it's defined in modern day. Not some tangential article that mentions pop. You're really trying to get points posting an article from "saving country music dot com?" CMON

Secondly, you rely way too much on these bullshyt receipts instead of having an opinion of your own. Didn't you take high school essay writing? The vast majority of any informed response should be YOUR opinion, with a few receipts here and there to back it up. Not a ton of 'receipts' thrown at the wall with one line of half-assed response and I'm supposed to do the work for you figuring out what you're trying to tell me.

You can fool dumb posters around here but you can't fool me.

and lastly, I can't take a cat who think's he knows hiphop when he didn't even hear Illmatic until the 2000's.




http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dj-v...-only-good-album.412082/page-21#post-18382296


Don't think I didn't notice the white chick giving you that Ether

I see you're getting furious so you gotta go off-topic

My point hit home

 

[Renegade47]

Even Rocky has songs that are more pop sounding orientated.

Not all of music within a said defiant subculture reflects the roots and ideals of said subculture. And sometimes being defiant can be be defiant against said subcultures unspoken rules, as well.

This band was a pretty popular hardcore band in the early 00s and they have a song with a Mike Jones hit influence but they were very much so still a hardcore/punk band regardless


This literally is existent in almost every genre of music.. there's tons of Post punk bands with pop influence. Tons of bands that are apart of a defiant sub culture that have pop song structure. This is something hip hop is safe from just like hip hop enthusiasts like to pretend that hip hop is somehow immune to region influence IE: NY artists sounding southern. There have been artists since the 50s from The US trying to copy what artists in Europe were doing and vice versa. There was a "Boston sound" of punk that became the norm that bands from Ohio and all over were copying. And no one gave a shyt

Did you just start listening to music 3 years ago? Jesus. Rappers Delight is an iconic hip hop song and that shyt is pop influenced as fukk.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Those articles are off-topic as fukk. If you wanna post receipts about what pop is, then post articles that define pop and deal entirely with the definition of pop. Not some tangential article that mentions pop. You're really trying to get points posting an article from "saving country music dot com?" CMON

the articles had a larger point but they also clearly define whats consumed by the masses = pop

Secondly, you rely way too much on these bullshyt receipts instead of having an opinion of your own. Didn't you take high school essay writing? The vast majority of any informed response should be YOUR opinion, with a few receipts here and there to back it up. Not a ton of receipts thrown at the wall, with one line of half-assed opinion and I'm supposed to do the work for you figuring out what you're trying to tell me.

I posted my opinion + links to back up my point. Whats the point of posting opinions that you can't back up?

You can fool dumb posters around here but you can't fool me.

Bro, you're like the class clown on this board. Noone takes your musical opinions seriously




SirBiatch is making a good case for The Booth WOAT

I see you're getting furious so you gotta go off-topic

My point hit home

Na, Im just gonna give you that work again like I did a year ago

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/epis...-series-lyricism-killed-hip-hop.295800/page-5

 

[SirBiatch]

the articles had a larger point but they also clearly define whats consumed by the masses = pop



I posted by opinion + links to back up my point. Whats the point of posting opinions that you can't back up?




Bro, you're like the class clown on this board. Noone takes your musical opinions seriously




SirBiatch is making a good case for The Booth WOAT






Na, Im just gonna give you that work again like I did a year ago

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/epis...-series-lyricism-killed-hip-hop.295800/page-5

If you can't see how posting from "saving country music dot com" in an article that only tangentially mentions pop is NOT a suitable receipt for "what defines pop music", you're dumber than I thought.

Like I said, save all that extra juelz. Makes you look desperate

 

[IllmaticDelta]

If you can't see how posting from "saving country music dot com" in an article that only tangentially mentions pop is NOT a suitable receipt for "what defines pop music", you're dumber than I thought.

Like I said, save all that extra juelz. Makes you look desperate

says that cat who didn't hear illmatic until 2003 while being not far from 40 but thinks hes he knows HipHop

 

[SirBiatch]

says that cat who didn't hear illmatic until 2003 while being not far from 40 but thinks hes he knows HipHop

and still knows way more than you!

That's right breh. Give into that Let it out

 

[Renegade47]

nikkas really saying pop not a genre

 

[Danie84]

Pops and Catchy music is great

....when it's masquerade as Hip-Hop/Rap than that's a problem

Don't act like (not Madonna) didn't invent that whole genre, tho

 

[African Peasant]

pop is definitely a genre. I understand @IllmaticDelta's point. When pop started it was simply a collection of most popular songs. Over time, it has become its own genre because execs study what makes stuff popular and try to duplicate it. So while any genre can be heard in pop, the reality is that most pop tunes are generated with the aim of pleasing pop fans first before anyone else. Pop absorbs all genres. To pretend like it's not a full blown genre now is

You nailed it.

 

[ISO]

I thought J. Cole's "Workout" was a dope feel good summertime record. Hip Hop needs those IMO...

Missy was trash. She was pop. Perfect example.

I'm not a Missy stan but can you front on her production?

I'd rather hear catchy shyt than Jadakiss spit the same struggle bars he's been spitting for the last 14 years

But Jadakiss bodies pop songs...






Jada influenced G Herbo and Lil Bibby