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do yall people actually realize what early rap sounded like? There was nothing threatening to white people about it
Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?
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do yall people actually realize what early rap sounded like? There was nothing threatening to white people about it
I think what hes saying is that the mainstream airwaves were very much watered-down and extremely commercial when she debuted.
so she basically fit right into the landscape, even tho she wasn't a serious rap artist from jump. HELL, most of her singles are str8 r&b with her singing and someone else doing a rap feature.
and my comparison is STILL going over your head. just give it up buddy.
who are these people that you have serious hip-hop discussions with concerning missy Elliot? and what is their sexual orientation? what type of settings do you meet these fakk...err.....people in?
missy has beats that are good for breakdancing too. that doesn't mean that those breakers get in their cars and go home bumpin missy albums, and trade missy tracks with their homies. come on man.
Let him answer in his own words.
Most of Missy's singles aren't R&B. That's a copout and a crutch from a misinformed poster who likes to label everything that they don't feel is Hip Hop as such. "The Rain", " She's a...", "Get Ur Freak On", "Work It", Hit Em Wit Da Hee" remix, "Gossip Folks", "Pass That Dutch", "I'm Really Hot", "Lose Control" are all rap records and are bigger than her R&B records.
Are you really serious? You're now desperate enough to question someone's sexuality based on what they listen to. Thats laughable especially coming from you. You do know that there' s gay people who listen to DMX, Pac, Bone,Biggie,Rakim, etc. and the only thing that separates them from straight people is who they choose to be in intimate relationships with.
I don't personally know any gay people who are fans of Missy.
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well he dapped me so
those records are bigger than some of her r&b records, but theyre bigger with the r&b crowd than they are with the rap crowd so it doesn't matter.
I don't even remember some of these. "pass that dutch"?? I remember "I'm really hot". that chit was wack. it was in tune with the Ciara record. you think the brehs were listening to that chit breh?
how is the last part laughable coming from me?
I'm not saying gay people don't listen to everything. I'm just saying listening to certain things on certain levels might be exclusive to them. I mean, ive never seen a group of males discussing missy Elliot ever in my life, unless it was about some intentional or un-intentionally funny chit that she did.
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artists supposedly can't make mistakes and have to stick to something their initial audience likes
but creating that first sh!t doesn't pay the bills....and labels want their money back
well he dapped me so
those records are bigger than some of her r&b records, but theyre bigger with the r&b crowd than they are with the rap crowd so it doesn't matter.
I don't even remember some of these. "pass that dutch"?? I remember "I'm really hot". that chit was wack. it was in tune with the Ciara record. you think the brehs were listening to that chit breh?
how is the last part laughable coming from me?
I'm not saying gay people don't listen to everything. I'm just saying listening to certain things on certain levels might be exclusive to them. I mean, ive never seen a group of males discussing missy Elliot ever in my life, unless it was about some intentional or un-intentionally funny chit that she did.
It doesn't matter that he dapped you. He's still very much capable of responding himself.
You're reaching. "Get Ur Freak On", "Work It", "Gossip Folks", "She's A...", "I'm Really Hot" etc., were not bigger with R&B crowds.
Whether you liked the song or not is irrelevant. "I'm Really Hot" is in tune with "Lose Control"?
. Those songs sound nothing alike. I don't think brehs were listening to those songs. I know they were.Read some of the recent posts you've made on this forum and you'd understand why it's laughable.
Yes, there are certain things on certain levels that are exclusive to some people, but we're specifically talking about Missy Elliott. You've even admitted to liking some of her music. Just because you've never seen a group of males discussing Missy's music irrelevant. That's just based on what you've seen. There's a an entire world that exists outside of you and the people you know.
It doesn't matter that he dapped you. He's still very much capable of responding himself.
You're reaching. "Get Ur Freak On", "Work It", "Gossip Folks", "She's A...", "I'm Really Hot" etc., were not bigger with R&B crowds.
Whether you liked the song or not is irrelevant. "I'm Really Hot" is in tune with "Lose Control"?
Read some of the recent posts you've made on this forum and you'd understand why it's laughable.
Yes, there are certain things on certain levels that are exclusive to some people, but we're specifically talking about Missy Elliott. You've even admitted to liking some of her music. Just because you've never seen a group of males discussing Missy's music irrelevant. That's just based on what you've seen. There's a an entire world that exists outside of you and the people you know.
and this all reverts back to the million dollar question. WHERE THEY DO THAT AT??
you say those songs weren't bigger with the r&b crowds but where is your proof that they were bigger with the raps crowds. the idea of "i'm really hot" & "lose control" having any type of str8 male rap audience at all is laughable. and no I didn't say those 2 songs sound alike, but theyre cut from the same cloth. that's the point I was making.
yes I like some of her music. certain songs, but the buck stops there. I know who she is & who she isn't. there are D4L & souljab boy tell em songs that I like as well.
that aint saying much breh.I never said that the world revolves around who I know. but ive been around more than enough people, in more than enough places around the map, including her own backyard of Virginia, to know that missy f*ckin Elliot is much bigger in the r&b and pop worlds than she is in the rap world.
as for the bolded, be specific.
Those songs were bigger on the Rap charts than they were on the R&B charts. Which means "It lists the 25 most popular hip-hop/rap songs, calculated weekly by airplay on rhythmic and urban radio stations and sales in hip hop-focused or exclusive markets" Hot Rap Songs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They are not cut from the same cloth. For starters, "I'm Really Hot" is sonically different. "Lose Control" has a more Kraftwerk sound to it and has featured vocals from Ciara. It's also structurally different. They aren't cut from the same cloth at all except both being singles from Missy Elliott.
yes I like some of her music. certain songs, but the buck stops there. I know who she is & who she isn't. there are D4L & souljab boy tell em songs that I like as well.
No, you're trying to put her in a box because she doesn't jive with the narrative you're attempting to push. Every group/artist you don't like, you pull the same garbage: they're R&B. It's a classic cop out employed by posters who don't want to deal with certain artists. There's a huge difference between a Missy Elliott, D4L and Soulja Boy Tell Em. You're comparing Missy Elliott, who actually had a run of 8 years to pretty much artists who had 1-3 hits, one hit album and bounced.
Being around people =/= building with them to actually know what their musical tastes are and where they hold certain artists.
For starters, you admitted to liking songs from Missy Elliott and then proceeded to question the sexuality of her music having any type of straight male audience. You're the only one who brought the sexual orientation of her audience into the discussion. Then you talked about liking her music. That's more of an indictment on you than it is her music. Nobody asked you for that. You set yourself up. You're either maintaining that Missy's music appeals to straight males or you're still trying to paint Missy's male audience as homosexuals. If you're painting her audience as homosexuals, you're pretty much saying that you're a homosexual considering you said that you like some of her songs. Nobody else in here was making those claims, but you.
LOL!!!!!
@mobbinfms look at the answer he gives after all this time.
he was better off just not answering.
Sure. Because she was pop.
She was in clubs, on the radio, etc.
That doesn't mean all the heads who rushed stores to get the Infamous in 95 were lining up to cop her first album in 97
When's the last time you been seriously taking hip hop with brehs who know what the fukk they're talking about and the conversation shifts from Illmatic to Supa Dupa Fly
LOL!!!!!
@mobbinfms look at the answer he gives after all this time.
he was better off just not answering.
And this is the answer you give after all this time: None at all. Still hiding behind the posts of others because you have no response.
Sure. Because she was pop.
She was in clubs, on the radio, etc.
That doesn't mean all the heads who rushed stores to get the Infamous in 95 were lining up to cop her first album in 97
When's the last time you been seriously taking hip hop with brehs who know what the fukk they're talking about and the conversation shifts from Illmatic to Supa Dupa Fly
Every rapper who reaches the mainstream is Pop. That's pretty much the premise of what the thread is about.
Contrary to what you believe Hip Hop heads aren't limited to the people who copped Infamous in '95 or hold Illmatic as the Holy Grail of Hip Hop. Hip Hop conversations aren't limited to just the albums you listed. The fact that you think so just proves how skewed your view of Hip Hop is and I say this as fan of Mobb Deep and Nas is my favorite rapper. People gravitate to different artists for different reasons. There are Hip Hop heads with varied tastes. All Hip Hop heads are not people who prefer one type of Hip Hop while
at another just because. I can assure you a lot of the same people who lined up to cop Infamous in '95 and were praising Illmatic in '94 are the same people who would attempt to argue that It Was Written, Life After Death, and No Way Out are Pop records that appealed to club heads and that nobody in the streets were bumping them.
IWW wasn't mentioned in the post you quoted. I was responding and disagreeing to your assertion that a record becomes pop based on how successful it is. I disagree with that wholeheartedly. There is also a big difference between attempting to go commercial and going pop. Very few rappers have actually gone so far as to go pop. Florida, Pit, Black Eyed Peas, Missy. Nas may have had commercial aspirations with IWW but he wasn't going pop the way Will Smith did with Big Willie Style.
Now obviously, we all use these terms sort of interchangeably on here.
I always point to 96 as the last by and large pure year. 97 was the tipping point. I agree it wasn't all glamour and glitz at that point.