Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be

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Kobe stans are legit slow and they made it impossible to enjoy his play :francis:

Nah, some of them are slow (like the Kobestan WPOY trifecta), others are just straight blind.

Poitier can preach legit on Black empowerment on other forums, but whenever it comes to Kobe, he just reverts to lies and diversions.

The last time we argued, he tried to claim that Lebron's shooting falls off a cliff in the playoffs. When I showed that it did not, he tried to claim that it was his True Shooting % that falls off a cliff in the playoffs. When I showed that it did not, he tried to claim that it did in some seasons. When I showed it went up in just as many other seasons, he claimed that it wasn't important because those weren't his peak years. When I showed that it went up in peak years too, he started a new argument claiming that Kobe made threes at higher volume. When I showed that Lebron made more threes/game and more threes/season than Kobe, he said that Kobe still has higher volume because Kobe had played more seasons.

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Nah, some of them are slow (like the Kobestan WPOY trifecta), others are just straight blind.

Poitier can preach legit on Black empowerment on other forums, but whenever it comes to Kobe, he just reverts to lies and diversions.

The last time we argued, he tried to claim that Lebron's shooting falls off a cliff in the playoffs. When I showed that it did not, he tried to claim that it was his True Shooting % that falls off a cliff in the playoffs. When I showed that it did not, he tried to claim that it did in some seasons. When I showed it went up in just as many other seasons, he claimed that it wasn't important because those weren't his peak years. When I showed that it went up in peak years too, he started a new argument claiming that Kobe made threes at higher volume. When I showed that Lebron made more threes/game and more threes/season than Kobe, he said that Kobe still has higher volume because Kobe had played more seasons.

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Trifecta? The worst of the worst has a larger group than 3. There's swag, big L, all caps everything, dumbassbrothafromthebushes, Poitier, and one other guy who tried to argue we should hold 2009-10 against Wade for losing to Boston while being amazed with Kobe for beating Boston while ignoring how each man played against Boston (Wade averaged 33 on 56% shooting to Kobe getting 28.5 on 40% shooting) and also ignoring the supporting casts entirely.
 

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Trifecta? The worst of the worst has a larger group than 3. There's swag, big L, all caps everything, dumbassbrothafromthebushes, Poitier, and one other guy who tried to argue we should hold 2009-10 against Wade for losing to Boston while being amazed with Kobe for beating Boston while ignoring how each man played against Boston (Wade averaged 33 on 56% shooting to Kobe getting 28.5 on 40% shooting) and also ignoring the supporting casts entirely.

Swag is his own creature, he doesn't belong there. I'm 50-50 on him being a troll actanyway.

da brotherfromthebushes REALLY looks like a troll on almost every forum he posts in. I refuse to believe someone really thinks like that, and choosing that name should be a giveaway.

I was referring to L/all caps/g8, because they tend to clump and they're seriou. I actually have rep'd Big L and allcaps on other subjects, they're not bad people and they ain't trolling, just can't argue crap regarding basketball.
 

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Swag is his own creature, he doesn't belong there. I'm 50-50 on him being a troll actanyway.

da brotherfromthebushes REALLY looks like a troll on almost every forum he posts in. I refuse to believe someone really thinks like that, and choosing that name should be a giveaway.

I was referring to L/all caps/g8, because they tend to clump and they're seriou. I actually have rep'd Big L and allcaps on other subjects, they're not bad people and they ain't trolling, just can't argue crap regarding basketball.
Fair enough on swag. Dumbass is basically the Donald trump of this site with his lies and accusations and dap fishing in all forums of this site. I'm not shocked he posts like that in other places. All caps I'm sure is autistic and probably legit slow. Big L isn't a total wreck in the locker room like in here. Gangstar8 has to be an alias though. He follows those guys in every thread and just parrots mindless shyt like an alias would. The question is who is he an alias of :patrice:
 

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:dead: at 2013 being one of Kobe's best years.

nikka was clearly shot and on his last legs but stats that don't tell the whole story is all that matters to Lebron nut riders. I swear these dweebs talk about basketball like they're reading models and charts in a labroom somewhere.
 

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:dead: at 2013 being one of Kobe's best years.

nikka was clearly shot and on his last legs but stats that don't tell the whole story is all that matters to Lebron nut riders. I swear these dweebs talk about basketball like they're reading models and charts in a labroom somewhere.

No one said that 2013 was one of Kobe's best years.

It was one of his most efficient shooting years. And that's a provable fact.


As far as him being "shot and on his last legs" though, that's idiocy. I was living in LA for part of 2013, and the Kobe hype was incredible. Until the injury there were calls for Kobe for MVP, and with Nash/Dwight added people were calling the Lakers title favorites. Other than his shytty-ass defense, NO ONE was calling Kobe "on his last legs" until AFTER the Achilles injury. You're making shyt up.

Sportsbook bookies have Lakers at 57 wins, ESPN predicts Lakers to win 59 games in 2013, CBS predicts 60, Lakers fans predict 64-72 wins, MWP states that 73 wins is the goal:

How many games will the Lakers win this season?


25% of GM's predicted the Lakers to win it all that year, 60% said they'd beat the Thunder and win the West, 67% called Kobe the best shooting guard in the NBA

GM Survey: LeBron and Heat the faves, but look out for L.A.


(p.s. - apparently Kobe "on his last legs" is still better than the guy who carried Lebron to titles, right? :troll:)



Even after the season, this is what they were writing:

Kobe? He had a spectacular year ... on the offensive side of the ball. He came down from some of the career numbers he was posting in December, but he still just held on to post the best shooting year of his career (by eFG%) while also taking control of the offense in a way we've never seen from him before. With Nash either injured or ineffectual, Kobe became the team's point guard, and he did not monopolize the ball at all. Instead, he posted a career high for assists and made the right basketball play 90% of the time. But his defense was awful for all but the rarest of occasions, and his leadership early in the season as the Lakers struggled can certainly be questioned. Still, Kobe was responsible for almost all of what was good about the Lakers this season. And his reward for it was the most devastating injury an older player can suffer. Kobe's ruptured Achilles was the worst of the worst this season, because it is the only fragment of this cursed season which is already poisoning 2014.

and

Kobe just put together one of the finest offensive seasons of his career 17 years in.

The worst part of a failed season



And Kobe is so good at this age that he's now better than Jordan:

Kobe Bryant: Why Bryant's 2012 Season Pushes Him Past Jordan on All-Time List
 

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Kobe's 2013 season was his 3rd-best shooting season EVER. Show me ANY other shooting chart of a Kobe season that looks better than that one.

In fact, Kobe's two-point shooting in 2013 was his best season EVER.

It wasnt. Your going off of goofy advanced analytics that nobody follows. In terms of field goal percentage, its his 5th or 6th best year.

Stick to sucking Lebron off, which is sad since you're an LA nikka. You dont know shyt about Kobe. His best seasons were 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009. Nobody in their right mind gonna say 2013. He barely had lift in his legs by 2013 to shoot, his defense was gone, couldn't keep up with faster younger players and looked like he was pulling a hamstring everytime he went to dunk. He was getting by purely off skill by then. This shouldn't be a surprise to you...he scored 60 points in his last game as a 37 year old geezer.
 

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It wasnt. Your going off of goofy advanced analytics that nobody follows. In terms of field goal percentage, its his 5th or 6th best year.

Since I was responding to Poitier, and since he used True Shooting % before I did, I'm pretty sure using TS% isn't "goofy analytics that no one follows." :deadmanny:

TS% is just acknowledging that threes are worth more than twos. If that's "goofy advanced analytics", then you must think slugging percentage is wizardry. And if you think nobody uses it, you're clueless. TS% is the easiest way to quickly see how much better DeRozan going 9-18 on twos is inferior to Curry going 5-10 on twos and 3-8 on threes.

And to complain about goofy advanced analytics just because it accounts for twos and threes, while commenting on a thread that's all about dividing the entire court up in FIVE different zones, is ironic. And dumb.


And if you don't like "goofy advanced analytics", I'll break it down in slow motion for you.

In 2013 Kobe shot 51.0% on twos. That was the best he had ever shot on twos in his entire career, 1.3% better than his 2nd best and 3.1% better than his average.
In 2013 Kobe shot 32.4% on threes. That was only 0.5% lower than his career average of 32.9%.

Thus, 2013 was an average year for threes and a fantastic year for twos for Kobe, so he should at LEAST have an average shooting chart.

If your argument is that Kobe ONLY has a great-looking shooting chart in his "peak" years, which I guess must be 2007-2010, then I hate to break it to you. Lebron has a great-looking shooting chart in his peak years two. In fact, Lebron's four-year peak looks BETTER than any Kobe four-year run in terms of shooting outside the key.



Stick to sucking Lebron off, which is sad since you're an LA nikka. You dont know shyt about Kobe. His best seasons were 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009. Nobody in their right mind gonna say 2013. He barely had lift in his legs by 2013 to shoot, his defense was gone, couldn't keep up with faster younger players and looked like he was pulling a hamstring everytime he went to dunk. He was getting by purely off skill by then. This shouldn't be a surprise to you...he scored 60 points in his last game as a 37 year old geezer.

Yeah, that's a whole load of bullshyt written after the fact. NO ONE was saying those things about Kobe before or during the season except that his defense was gone. I already gave you the receipts with LA fans saying he was having a fantastic year shooting.

Now, of course his defense was gone. It had been going for years. And he had less explosion near the hoop. But that has NOTHING to do with his shooting %'s. I didn't say it was his best year overall, I said it was one of his best years in shooting %, and that's a verifyable fact. NO ONE has been able to explain how Kobe could shoot an above-average % that year and yet have a below average shooting chart, especially when the place he would have suffered most is AT THE RIM.
 

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These nikkas get hoed by the whole subforum then talk amongst themselves to nurse their wounded egos :mjlol:
 
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