I think Obama cares about black America but these just looks bad, hopefully this statistics have improved.
Will Hillary Be a Right-Wing Neocon President?
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I think Obama cares about black America but these just looks bad, hopefully this statistics have improved.
We pretty much had a mission accomplished in Libya.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
She will start and finish World War 3. Make my words on that. A lot of dictators and foreign leaders will be dead by the time Hilary finishes her first term. She has to prove she is tough to the world. Maybe she will blow up ISIS or something.
1. The most important unanswered question about Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign (which she more or less confirmed to Jeffrey Goldberg in an Atlantic interview) is how she's changed since 2008. The answer is that she hasn't — at least not on foreign policy.
2. Read the interview and you quickly see Clinton's strength as a candidate: she is more fluent, informed and authoritative in affairs of state than any of her plausible challengers. In the 2008 race, she famously posed the 3am phone call test: did voters trust her or naive, inexperienced Barack Obama to answer the kinds of calls that wake the president at 3am? She lost that campaign, but her subsequent experience as Secretary of State has only widened her lead on that question.
3. Read the interview, however, and you also see Clinton's weakness as a candidate: she is more hawkish than the post-Iraq Democratic Party. She is upset that she lost the internal administration debate over whether to intervene in Syria. She's focused on the expansive ambitions of radical jihadists. She takes a hard line on Iran's nuclear ambitions. She's frustrated that Obama thinks more about the dangers of action than the dangers of inaction. She's dismissive of Obama's shorthand foreign policy principle "don't do stupid stuff". She wants the country that defeated fascism and communism to develop a grand — and more interventionist — strategy to guide its leadership of the world. She sounds like a Democrat from 2002 rather than 2014.
In tone + substance, @HillaryClinton intvw with @JeffreyGoldberg made me wonder if she recognizes how much D party has changed since WJC era
— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) August 11, 2014
4. She presents Democrats, to a surprising degree, with the same choice they faced in 2008. There's no doubt that Clinton is more prepared to answer that 3am call. But they may not like the call she makes immediately after. There are a lot of liberals out there who would prefer a nuclear Iran to a war with Iran. Many of them believe, rightly or wrongly, that President Obama quietly agrees with them. Clinton does not agree with them, and they're going to know it.
5. I remain skeptical that Rand Paul can win the Republican nomination for president. But if he does, it will set up a race in which the Republican is significantly more dovish than the Democrat. That will scramble political coalitions in unusual, and possibly significant, ways. For instance, Millennials have swung hard towards Democrats in recent years, but they're also much more dovish than older generations. Seniors, on the other hand, have become more Republicans, and are also more hawkish.
6. There is a pattern that has emerged in almost every recent interview Clinton has given: liberals walk away unnerved. She bumbled through a discussion of gay marriage with Terry Gross. She's dodged questions about the Keystone XL pipeline. She's had a lot of trouble discussingincome inequality. I initially chalked some of this up to political rust. I am quickly revising that opinion.
7. In general, people underestimate the convictions politicians have and overestimate the cynicism of their positions. The interview with Goldberg is being analyzed as a calculated gamble on Clinton's part to distance herself from the Obama administration, and perhaps it is. But it matters because it's also much more than that: this is what Clinton really believes. It's what she believed before the Obama administration, it's what she fought for inside the Obama administration, and it's what she believes after leaving the Obama administration. This is insight into the kind of president Clinton would be, not just the kind of candidate she would be.
8. Political campaigns are decided not just by what candidates say but by which of their statements supporters believe to be true. One advantage Obama had in the Democratic primary was that even when he rhetorically moved towards the middle his liberal base didn't really buy it; his repeated assertions that he opposed gay marriage were never taken very seriously by his supporters, for instance. Clinton will have the opposite problem — and, potentially, the opposite advantage: She has clear and substantive disagreements with the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, and so her efforts to move to the left during the primary will often be viewed skeptically. But those disagreements will make it harder for Republicans to paint her as a liberal who's exactly like Barack Obama.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/12/599279...view-shows-both-how-she-might-win-and-how-she
Spidey Man
Superstar
How's that old joke go? America was late to the first two wars so they'll start the next one.
I have no faith in Hillary. She'll def try to flex and get more involved than we should be. Her husband was the one that sent two aircraft carriers to Taiwan and embarrassed China. She might try to one up Mr. Lob tomahawks at everything moving
Self_Born7
SUN OF MAN
all these presidents we had from washington to obama are related, so we sort of have a monarch here
McCain would have us in Lybia Syria Egypt and Iraq. Probably Iran as well
and that place where Borat lived!!!!
The shyt that cracks me up is that mufukkaz complain about welfare and shyt completely ignoring the fact that Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid take up 50 % of our GNP 
The "welfare" portion (SNAP, Unemployoment Insurance, WIC, etc) is 11 percent.
The "welfare" portion (SNAP, Unemployoment Insurance, WIC, etc) is 11 percent.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
If Rand Paul wins the republican vote, he might get a lot of liberal and democrat votes which usually go democrat, one thing for sure Hilary's foreign policy is more in the lines of the Tea Party than the democratic party.
I wouldn't be surprised, but alot will depend on his domestic platform. Foreign policy is usually secondary in general elections especially if the economy is not doing well.
As a Liberal, I'm looking for an alternative to Clinton. I don't care for her foreign policy or her character at all. I think she is a bold face liar and she lacks a backbone.
So raining indiscriminate death from the sky is dove-like behavior now?
Hillary will be barely any different from Obama as president.
Acting like she will have the US invading countries on a whim is just ridiculous.
Hillary will be barely any different from Obama as president.
Acting like she will have the US invading countries on a whim is just ridiculous.
She is a lot more hawkish and I'm fine with drones as long as they don't target American civilians outside of the US. I much prefer a targeted drone strikes to boots on the ground. I don't prefer war at all, but in the case of Afghanistan, I don't think that was politically tenable when Obama came into office.