Would ROOKIE Michael Jordan be the best player today?

[onelastdeath]

Any particular examples as to why they are the WOAT over say Kobe stans or whoever?

Because of the fact that he's universally recognized as the greatest basketball player to ever grace the court, yet they are still insecure enough to belittle the accomplishments of lesser players to strengthen his legacy.

If you ask any of them, no one will ever come close to Jordan; no matter if they actually do.

He has a resume that promises that his stans don't need to be insecure, yet they are.

It's almost as if they're holding onto the era more than the person.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

They're awful but nobody is worse than Kobe stans. Even the Boston sports stainbase isn't as bad. They're largely 90's stans too. They go further honestly to protect the rest of the decade because they were raised on the notion the Mike (not even the Bulls, but Mike alone) faced the greatest competition ever and dominated like that. It's why you see teams like the Knicks and pacers and Pistons (post 1990) and jazz get hyped up even though none of them won anything. The entire argument though OP, as you said, usually devolves into barbershop talk right away.

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

Original thread.Never seen it before.

 

[SadimirPutin]

It seems to be a progression thing

All I hope is that Lebron stans will never be as silly to the next great wing player(I suppose this is Kevin Durant although people might feel its Steph) as the Jordan/Kobe stan brigade has been.....

 

[prophecypro]

Because of the fact that he's universally recognized as the greatest basketball player to ever grace the court, yet they are still insecure enough to belittle the accomplishments of lesser players to strengthen his legacy.

If you ask any of them, no one will ever come close to Jordan; no matter if they actually do.

He has a resume that promises that his stans don't need to be insecure, yet they are.

It's almost as if they're holding onto the era more than the person.

I mean I feel like that's general sports and basketball fans and "hot take" reporters more than anyone.

But yeah I will say the "Six Rings in a modern era>>>>>>>" defense can be annoying when objectively comparing Bron and Kobe to him.

 

[onelastdeath]

They're awful but nobody is worse than Kobe stans. Even the Boston sports stainbase isn't as bad. They're largely 90's stans too.

Kobe stans wouldn't be as bad as they are if they're guy was universally recognized as the best player OAT. They go so hard because people love to shyt on Kobe and his accomplishments. No one shyts on Jordan. At all. Yet his stans are still rabid

 

[Juggalo Fred]

They're awful but nobody is worse than Kobe stans. Even the Boston sports stainbase isn't as bad. They're largely 90's stans too.

the extreme Kobe stans are the worst, then MJ stans, then regular Kobe stans

it's levels to this

 

[Alexander The Great]

Mike at 40 was averaging like 20-22 a game but a young Michael Jordan would struggle and be clamped down

The coli brehs

this...Mike was 40 and still putting up all star numbers for a shooting guard thats crazy

The combination of the post game, the driving ability finishing with either hand, the jump shot, and the defense make Mike the most TECHNICALLY gifted basketball player that ever lived. He would've been great in any era, especially this one we're in right now.

Alot of players are more physically gifted than Mike (Bron, Shaq etc) but none of them played the game as well. It ain't just the rings, jordan was just better than everybody else

Jordan at his peak had no weakness in his game. jumpers, mid range jumpers, post game crazy, pull up jumpers, spot up jumpers, jumpers running off screens, pull up transition 3s, 1st step gawd like, finishing at the rim with crazy layups or dunking on hall of fame big men. passing ability, rebounding for his position. and on top of all that...All defensive team every year.

I would love to see prime Jordan in this era of ball screens and shooters

 

[Jimi Swagger]

That was an asinine question. Name one UNC player who entered the NBA rookie season, with exception of the late 90s lockout, with shyt first year stats? Most average near 20 PPG. Dean Smith needs a honorary BET Award for molding goat athletes and establishing the best college basketball program in history.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobe stans wouldn't be as bad as they are if they're guy was universally recognized as the best player OAT. They go so hard because people love to shyt on Kobe and his accomplishments. No one shyts on Jordan. At all.

the extreme Kobe stans are the worst, then MJ stans, then regular Kobe stans

it's levels to this

Pretty much. Nobody really says anything bad about Mike until someone tries to say he never had a bad game in his career or something so absurd. The Kobe stans on the other hand? Seems every year a new one is named worst poster of the year

 

[Alexander The Great]

Kobe stans used to the worst, but they've fallen off as he did
Bron stans are far and away the worst on this board right now

 

[Gravity]

I don't agree with your Kobe assessment sir. Mike is a Notch above both tho.

Thing is I've seen Kobe have BIG games against good teams in the playoffs. It just always happened in the WCF. He may be the best Conference finals player of all time actually. He was just never able to duplicate this performance in the finals(although he was a good finals performer)

I think MJ is what you get when you combine Lebron's athletic ability with Kobe's Skill. I don't think MJ is more skilled than Kobe, or more athletic than Bron, but he has both. Whereas Kobe isn't near Bron's Athletic ability (although he was a great athlete), and Lebron does not possess Kobe's skill.

You sound like a Kobe fan boy. You're damn sure overrating him like one. Both Mike and Lebron are clearly more skilled than Kobe. Mike is more skilled than them both while being just as athletic as Lebron. He just wasn't as big as Lebron is.

The point is, did you feel it was insulting that Kobe was discussed as being in the neighborhood of greatness as Michael Jordan?

Yea it was insulting to people who know better's intelligence. I still get called a Kobe hater because I push back against how he's been overrated.

It's just funny to me how reactionary people are. If Cleveland would've lost that game 7 with Lebron playing the exact same and he had to deal with another defeat in the finals, the narrative is completely different. You wouldn't be here making the argument that you're making now. Say Steph had hit a shot instead of Kyrie, are you still making this argument?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobe stans used to the worst, but they've fallen off as he did
Bron stans are far and away the worst on this board right now

They're awful, but I have yet to see them try to argue 6-24 with 3 assists to 5 turnovers in a game 7/defending 1 point, 1 rebound, 0 assists, steals, or blocks in the second half of game 7 is a good showing while a guy with a 32-11-10 triple double in game 6 and 37-12-4-2 in game 7 choked. I can't imagine someone topping that

 

[Gravity]

You'd think his stans would be objective and knowledgable about the game watching such a smart player do his thing for so long, but most of them are dumb af and don't know anything about basketball.

This is a universal thing too. Both online and offline. Barbershops and Bars.

The attachment a lot of these dudes have to him his wild

To be clear, he IS the Goat. But the levels people go to defend a resume that does NOT need to be defended is insane.

I remember grown ass men barking on me in a barber shop when I was 12 because I said that Bron had the potential to be as good as him

Not even saying he was better, just that the potential was there

You woulda thought I put bleach in the prune juice supply or something

Why they feel the need to completely discredit the accomplishments of other players to give credit to a legacy that is already the greatest legacy of all time is beyond me

They are far worse than Kobe stans and Bron stans.

Shame such a smart, versatile, godly player has a stanbase as stupid as The Jorstans

Passive aggressive bytchassness from a shyt pussified poster.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

People in here bringing up MJ was 21 as a rookie to somehow diminish his stats need to spot. The league was GROWN MEN back than as opposed to the teenagers that come into the league today.