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[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

The daily onslaught of our young boys by the usual suspects......just in time

 

[RickyGQ]

The only things they share are that they were super raw players that were drafted with development in mind and that they were obviously flawed on one end of the floor but had requisite skills that were NBA ready on the other side of the floor...and they were both among the three youngest players in their draft classes.

But they're basically polar opposites besides that. Knox has huge offensive upside that you want to unlock and defensive holes that you just want to bring up to competent. Frank has clear defensive upside (anyone arguing against this is reaching point blank) and offensive flaws that you just need to bring up to competent for him to become a valuable contributor.

I always wonder if the patience vs impatience with prospect thing relates to whether people got into basketball before or after the one and done rule got implemented. I've got nothing to go off on that, but I feel like prior to that rule you'd get a lot more super raw prospects drafted that took time to become finished products. Trevor Ariza being the first name that comes to mind.

And then the organization threw development out of the window.

 

[storyteller]

Most teams would have traded both Frank and Knox a long time ago. Every young player that struggles isn't a late bloomer than turns into Steve Nash at 29. They said Trier was supposed to be the next Jamal Crawford but he cant even find a team.

I think the problem is that this conversation always turns into a binary between being out of the league in a year versus becoming a Steve Nash type star. There's a huge grey area in between where a player can be productive and valuable.

 

[Geordi]

I think the problem is that this conversation always turns into a binary between being out of the league in a year versus becoming a Steve Nash type star. There's a huge grey area in between where a player can be productive and valuable.

I'm all into developing the guys that show promise Mitch, Obi, RJ. How often do the fringe NBA players like Dotson, Trier, Kornet turn into a valuable piece on another team? Frank and Knox are still on the team so we may as well give them some playing time and see what happens but I'm not losing sleep over their lack of minutes.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I'm all into developing the guys that show promise Mitch, Obi, RJ. How often do the fringe NBA players like Dotson, Trier, Kornet turn into a valuable piece on another team? Frank and Knox are still on the team so we may as well give them some playing time and see what happens but I'm not losing sleep over their lack of minutes.

did you have another username before?

 

[Geordi]

did you have another username before?

Nope, first and only account

 

[storyteller]

I'm all into developing the guys that show promise Mitch, Obi, RJ. How often do the fringe NBA players like Dotson, Trier, Kornet turn into a valuable piece on another team? Frank and Knox are still on the team so we may as well give them some playing time and see what happens but I'm not losing sleep over their lack of minutes.

I think promising is tough to define. Both Frank and Knox had interest from other teams in the league this offseason. That's not because they're sure things, but a few GM's see promise at a minimum. Frank's defensive chops and Knox's shooting ability + size make both kids worth some attention and development. That's especially true on a team that's projected to be worst in the league anyway.

Both Knox and Frank are younger right now than Dot, Trier and Kornet were as rookies. For sure, they need to show more than they have to stick around, but I wouldn't shut the door on them or compare them to those guys. They have better tools which is what got them drafted so young in the first place.

Just to add in, the only way I'm losing sleep over minutes is if a player earns them but isn't rewarded. Frank was the clear cut best PG in the preseason last year from a competition with DSJ and Payton involved. Allonzo Trier opened the season as starter. That sorta thing would make me pull my hair out but I don't think we have to worry about that type of thing with Thibs. I'm more concerned that he'll overplay vets than lack a coherent plan.

 

[Wargames]

 

[Peter Popoff]

Does this look like a guy that will get starting minutes?

 

[Wargames]

 

[storyteller]

I'll say it straight out. If you tell me we can have Buddy Hield and be slightly better non-playoff team or we can have a shot at a top five pick in this draft class; I'm taking the lottery, new busted odds and all. I don't even have to think hard about it. Get these kids playing hard and learning defense for a season; hope to land a Cunningham or a Green or a Suggs or a Mobley; get yourself some Buddy Hield caliber players in Free Agency next season.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

The only things they share are that they were super raw players that were drafted with development in mind and that they were obviously flawed on one end of the floor but had requisite skills that were NBA ready on the other side of the floor...and they were both among the three youngest players in their draft classes.

But they're basically polar opposites besides that. Knox has huge offensive upside that you want to unlock and defensive holes that you just want to bring up to competent. Frank has clear defensive upside (anyone arguing against this is reaching point blank) and offensive flaws that you just need to bring up to competent for him to become a valuable contributor.

I always wonder if the patience vs impatience with prospect thing relates to whether people got into basketball before or after the one and done rule got implemented. I've got nothing to go off on that, but I feel like prior to that rule you'd get a lot more super raw prospects drafted that took time to become finished products. Trevor Ariza being the first name that comes to mind.

Word!

I think for the older Knicks fans who are the same way, it’s the Mike Sweetney/Jordan Hill etc Trauma from having high draft picks that basically were bust for us....So now when a lottery pick doesn’t come out with a bang, the patience level isn’t there.

Frank and Knox were labeled projects...Those other picks were College made players who were expected to come in and contribute right away.

Knox and Frank are going to be good. Consistency is needed for young players. That’s THEE thing the Knicks have lacked.

At one point they literally tried to play Frank at SF

They had Moe Harkless playing over Knox

Who does these things to their project Lottery picks

 

[JMurder]

Is it Friday yet gotdamn yall don't stop

Scrolled through the thread and was just about to write something akin to this

 

[seemorecizzy]

i remember a time when ppl thought willy hermagomez was untradeable and our center of the future

sometimes you gotta cut your losses

last chance for knox, dennis smith, and frank. not askin you be world beaters, but its time to make significant progress and its time to play with consistent energy.

no more fukkin excuses

 

[Wargames]

i remember a time when ppl thought willy hermagomez was untradeable and our center of the future

sometimes you gotta cut your losses

last chance for knox, dennis smith, and frank. not askin you be world beaters, but its time tomake significant progress and its time to play with consistent energy.

no more fukkin excuses

That’s the fairest way to look at it. Thibs is a good coach, there are actual development coaches for them. I don’t expect miracle but there should be some clear signs of inprovement.