Yvette Carnell vs Boyce Watkins. Yvette sets it on Boyce

[Phitz]

She's annoying and attention seeking

I don't watch Boyce btw. Alot of these youtube 'intellectuals' are annoying and like to hear themselves talk.

 

[Free White & 21]

what does psycho-sexual deviant mean?

It means Homosexual

 

[David_TheMan]

When did I ever say it did? We aren't all in poverty but damn near all of us are in the working poor, in extremely volatile financial situations than can flip on a dime. Who is going to address and remedy the issue that we are disproportionately the poorest demographic in this country, and the average wealth of a black household is only $4,900 and an unemployment rate of 18.7%? Who has the power to change these things?

No damn near all of us aren't working poor either, the largest class of blacks economically is the middle class actually.
That said the majority of us aren't workign poor.
As for financially volatile, that is the majority of americans of all races even asians.
Who is going to address what? Not saving, investing, and voluntarily living check to check is personal action, not systematic.
Average wealth varies depending on study
http://www.econ.as.nyu.edu/docs/IO/28319/BlackWhiteWealthInequality.pdf

For example, the average black household, with $45,467 in net wealth, would have $67,975 (i.e. 49.5% more) if it were white but
other characteristics were unchanged.

For comparison, the average white household has $145,626 in wealth, and would have only $75,816 (i.e. 47.9% less) if it were black but other characteristics were unchanged. The white regressions explain more in absolute terms, but in proportional terms - which are arguably more important - the results are more comparable

 

[marcuz]

It's not a straw man. "There are no solutions outside of white intervention" is a verbatim quote.

link to this quote?

Of course we're owed reparations. We aren---

and this is where i exit the convo. you agree but you too chicken shyt to actually fight for it. if blacks spent just minimal effort fighting towards whats OWED, instead of going "mannn, that aint never going to happen." we would have had the ball rolling 2 generations ago.

dumb ass nikkas stay saying begging for handouts but agree you are deserved them handouts. its wild how they have black folks (who have the BIGGEST case for reparations) so scared to even speak on it

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

No I said various forms of socialism and I meant just that, communism in the economic sense is a form of socialism, initially called Bolshevik socialism to distinguish itself for other forms of socialism, like the nationalist socialism, of the Nazis or Musolini, compared to the internalionist leanings of Bolshevik or communists.

US is socialist as well its a corporatism nation like musulini, but we are digressing. All that to say I don't look at the US system of economics as capitalist because it isn't. It corporatist or socialist in the fascist strain.

United States has few attributes of socialism but it isn't entirely a socialist state.

It is becoming more fascist with it's attitudes towards giving political and economic leeway to Corporations tho

 

[David_TheMan]

41% receiving atleast some form of public assistance? yeah, that's pretty bad. especially considering many of these programs are headed on the chopping block by our current administration.

42% of that they make sure you know these are mainly children. You have to read what is posted, don't get lazy on me.

 

[David_TheMan]

United States has few attributes of socialism but it isn't entirely socialist.

It is becoming fascist with it's attitudes towards Corporations tho

US has been a socialist country economically since 1940s. It started in the 1910s with government controls of the economy during WW1, most of which disappeared and then were reintroduced during WW2 and solidified under the New Deal and both parties have increased the scope.

When I say socialism, I'm talking in the pure economic sense as well.

 

[Cadillac]

This thread 14 pgs? Something new happen?

 

[Free White & 21]

should i even read passed this? when people start out of the gate spouting bullshyt, i don't know if i should keep wasting time.

The fundamental tools to build economically were skillset, family, and a REAL sense of community. Blacks definitely had these during and post slavery for decades. Blacks barely have ANY of these today.

You've been saying stupid shyt for about 3 days straight. Put the drank down and carry your ass somewhere

 

[Free White & 21]

This thread 14 pgs? Something new happen?

@marcuz happened.

 

[marcuz]

The fundamental tools to build economically were skillset, family, and a REAL sense of community. Blacks definitely had these during and post slavery for decades. Blacks barely have ANY of these today.

You've been saying stupid shyt for about 3 days straight. Put the drank down and carry your ass somewhere

i'll address this when i get out of the theatre

 

[DLaren]

This entire debate has been giving me a headache for two days now...

Yvette annoys the hell outta me -- we've been fighting the government over police brutality for generations and we still can't get them to stop their officers from killing us in the streets...so how in the world does she believe we'll win a "fight" with the government for reparations? America just voted for an administration that will spend the next couple of years rolling-back programs for black folks, not adding new ones.

Boyce isn't any better -- all these new negroes running around trying to shame black people for having a job never seem to have a real business of their own; Boyce's business is convincing black people to quit their jobs so he can rope them into buying his books & taking his classes, Dame Dash sells shoddy bags of home-made cookies, and bootleg DVD's. I'd take this crowd a lot more seriously if one of them opened up a bakery or something and ran it successfully for 10 years, or if they used their "wealth" to buy-up a bunch business chains (Starbucks, Pizza Hut, etc) and could actually employ people.

I'm not interested in waiting another 400 years for reparations, nor will I be quitting my career to sell struggle-products that I'll have to guilt black people into buying.

I'll be over here working 6 (and sometimes 7) days a week, living below my means, paying-down debt, saving my money & making what I believe to be good investment decisions...it's really not that complicated.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

If Tariq Nasheed was saying the same thing Yevette has said y'all would be with it.

But alot y'all despise black women especially sharp black women.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

It's not natural to agree with somebody on everything 100%
It's okay to like and follow people and disagree with them on issues

with that said, on this issue Boyce is 100% wrong

hundreds of Americans quit their jobs every week to start up restaurants, and most of them fail.

let Boyce and some of you tell it: "so what! let your bills pile up and be homeless if you have to, but by all means be your own boss!!"

the raw truth of the matter is that not everybody can be a boss, and that's fine

you are not a loser if you work for a living, you are a not a slave

millions upon millions of Americans are living comfortably right now as employees working for someone else

 

[J-Fire]

Bullshyt, blacks had fundamentals tools during slavery to build economically, a lot of the licensing laws in this country today were made to stop a practice slave masters had developed in Louisiana of letting slaves learn trades, and sell their skills on the market and only getting a cut of the profit from that business. Did you know that? You know that black americans after slavery were growing economically and to the point in the 1920s, despite having the chain gang racket, had a employment rate in the upper 90%, had black owned banks, our own towns, and economic freedom to advance within our own communitties, so don't claim something doesn't exist when its historically documented that it did, in even worse conditions than we operate under to this day.

Boyce struggling his business means nothing, most business owners struggle, you aren't even presenting a point about what he is saying.

Blacks need help from each other, begging whites to help is foolish, especially when you've already conceded they are the reason you are struggling in the first place. Only a fool would ask a man who shot him to help him go to the hospital or treat the wound they inflicted. IMHO.



Yes, she is literally appealing to whites to help black people, the same white people she says are the cause of blacks needing help. This is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
All black people in this country aren't struggling financially, we struggle from systematic white supremacy though, and you can't beg white people to end it because it wouldn't exist if they didn't want it to.
Individual instances of economic success can and do uplift communities, it wasn't economics or lack of socialism or government handouts that destroyed black wall street, that destroyed our communities and gathering places for black economics, its white americans bombing and shooting us, white supremacy militerized. The same white supremacist designed system you are appealing to, the US government, is what you are asking to stop white supremacy? That isn't going to work. It seems more to me its asking white supremacist for handouts instead of trying to remove ourselves from being entirely dependent on their systems and that is dangerous.

That said, you won't ever see me publically attack a black liberal socialist (whatever variety) for the benefit of whites, because although I vehemently disagree with what you say, what you stand for , and argue, I"m content to let you speak against whites publicaly and challenge them. Why can't liberal blacks do the same for us? Why is it that when it comes to none socialist blacks, liberal blacks turn into a white man's attack dog and attack their own brother who is looking for the same end result but in a different way?

on what planet is getting your stolen money back from the government a handout?!?! if someone steals your money do you not report it or try to get it back???!....guess you don't cause it's a handout, lol.