2016 marks the birth of the "Altape" :wow:

[NotaPAWG]

What exactly makes a mixtape a mixtape and not an album? Free?..not original beats? What?

Cause Kevin gates got mixtapes with all original material he uploads on everything for free to hear but he also throws them up on ITunes to make some extra money.. so what is the difference between that and an album

More and more artists aren't selling physically copies as much because it just seems like a waste of money so you can't even use "it's for purchase at Best Buy or iTunes etc so it's an album"

 

[brickflair]

What exactly makes a mixtape a mixtape and not an album? Free?..not original beats? What?

Cause Kevin gates got mixtapes he uploads on everything for free to hear but he also throws them up on ITunes to make some extra money..

More and more artists aren't selling physically copies as much because it just seems like a waste of money so you can't even use "it's for purchase at Best Buy or iTunes etc so it's an album"

I feel if the project is strictly for retail sale then its an album but if its for sale but also available to stream and download then its up to the artists discretion but like sirbiatch said they cant be allowed to backtrack from labeling said project from an album to a mixtape once the numbers come in and they arent up to par

 

[Redwing80]

What exactly makes a mixtape a mixtape and not an album? Free?..not original beats? What?

Cause Kevin gates got mixtapes with all original material he uploads on everything for free to hear but he also throws them up on ITunes to make some extra money.. so what is the difference between that and an album

More and more artists aren't selling physically copies as much because it just seems like a waste of money so you can't even use "it's for purchase at Best Buy or iTunes etc so it's an album"

It's up to the artist to decide whether a project is the "official" album or a mixtape. When it's an album there's usually a lot of promotion behind it.

If you can sell your mixtape it doesn't mean it's an album but if you put your mixtape on free mixtape sites then it's definitely a mixtape

 

[HiiiPower]

GKMC was his first major label debut album Section 80 was marketed as an independent album that was the difference

Yeah that's what I'm saying, iv never seen it called a mixtape tho.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I'm gonna need receipts on that. Why was all the marketing garbage pushing GKMC as Kendrick's debut?

100 Best Debut Albums Ever

My bad, Kendrick calls it an "album" while simultaneously saying his "debut album" is coming later
Kendrick Lamar Talks 'Section.80,' New Album and Upcoming Videos

Yet Interscope calls it his debut album (wikipedia+media) and multiple reviews call it his debut album.

If anything you could say GKMC is his major label debut. Yea technically he was on Interscope when Sec80 came out but that album is clearly not a major label project. Listen to the quality, the features, the production etc and compare it to GKMC. It's not close (even if you like Sec80 more).

 

[brickflair]

Yeah that's I'm saying, if never seen it called a mixtape tho.

I think it was posted on mixtape sites when it was released im not sure tho

 

[BO BARON]

Its really weird & stupid how much enfaces you'll put on first week sales

DC4 can still go gold or even platinum especially with the hit singles he potentially has on that shyt

Its being considered a mixtape because its part 4 of his dream chaser mixtape series's & was put on all mixtape websites for free streaming

No you cant download it for free but streaming is basically the new way to listen to music & hardly no one buys music whether they steal it or steam it

DC4 is on all forms of major music streaming services free & paid so yes al this point it is a so called altape

But that was his intentions & those huge mixtape free streaming numbers count im pretty sure they dropped heavy bags to have DC4 streamed on their sites for the major traffic

 

[brickflair]

Its really weird & stupid how much enfaces you'll put on first week sales

DC4 can still go gold or even platinum especially with the hit singles he potentially has on that shyt

Its being considered a mixtape because its part 4 of his dream chaser mixtape series's & was put on all mixtape websites for free streaming

No you cant download it for free but streaming is basically the new way to listen to music & hardly no one buys music whether they steal it or steam it

DC4 is on all forms of major music streaming services free & paid so yes al this point it is a so called altape

But that was his intentions & those huge mixtape free streaming numbers count im pretty sure they dropped heavy bags to have DC4 streamed on their sites for the major traffic

The streaming numbers only count on shyt like spotify,apple, and tidal and some others i think but shyt like spinrilla and datpiff dont count even tho hes got millions of streams on these websites

 

[10bandz]

Imagine being 33, dusty and thinking up words like "Altape" and "Mixbum'

 

[Art Barr]

You are setting yourself up to fail in general being a mix tape artist because mixtapes gained a connotation in the late post jiggy nineties.
for being an arena where artist with admin limbo issues and possible poor sales attached to poor cultural definition.
went to possibly repair their cultural deficiency or numerous deficiencies. Which restricted their ability to draw domestically in a genuine grassroots movement.
Or possibly add to a poor sales outing draw by featuring records. that were lost in admin limbo in some presentation within loop hole based entertainment and marketing laws.
Which have ceased to actually operate if said drawing artist develops a resulting higher drawing period and said record is discovered through simple discovery zones probes.
So, even those loopholes don't actually exist in the public manner that they used to.
So, now mixtapes fit into a new age supposed or alleged pirating based feel.
for new culturally unaware or even somewhat aware artist.
entering an arena unbeknownst to them culturally.
deemed to be in poor light to begin with in overall scope, culturally and industry wise as well.
Which is why most new artist fail, who try the pop slash commercial artist route and why artist who try to play a culture card but are toys fail as well.
Rap could recover if it was built from real grassroots skilled artistry from real skilled cultural genuine places of content.
Yet that window closes because of the destruction of hiphop's cultural mechanisms being able to continually work.
once it was segregated forcibly from the industry of rap.
In the low skill level vocal featured in jiggy and current jiggy meets horrorcore auto tune rnb trap commercial offerings.
that erode its commercial viability the more a real cultural based duality in artists submissions is segregated from rap's pop gateway submissions base.

So, in general new artistry and thus the artist are restricting their long term and even short term drawing windows out the gate being a pop artist styled mix tape artists in general.
Especially the more and more mix tape artists of any kind move away from culturally endorsed ideas of anything from appeal socially in or in content from music


Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

My bad, Kendrick calls it an "album" while simultaneously saying his "debut album" is coming later
Kendrick Lamar Talks 'Section.80,' New Album and Upcoming Videos

Yet Interscope calls it his debut album (wikipedia+media) and multiple reviews call it his debut album.

If anything you could say GKMC is his major label debut. Yea technically he was on Interscope when Sec80 came out but that album is clearly not a major label project. Listen to the quality, the features, the production etc and compare it to GKMC. It's not close (even if you like Sec80 more).

it was marketed as his debut to push that struggle Nas-Illmatic narrative, that's why. which is more and more as the years pass

 

[BO BARON]

The streaming numbers only count on shyt like spotify,apple, and tidal and some others i think but shyt like spinrilla and datpiff dont count even tho hes got millions of streams on these websites

No shyt

It counts to dc4's popularity & like i said meek got bags from datpiff & spinrilla etc

So it all counts to meeks pockets

 

[brickflair]

No shyt

It counts to dc4's popularity & like i said meek got bags from datpiff & spinrilla etc

So it all counts to meeks pockets

you said count so i thought u meant count as in towards numbers but yea meek is still popular

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

It's funny because Drake and his team are the main culprits behind promoting albums as "mixtapes"

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Not to mention that everyone was claiming the real genius behind the project was that Drake only released it to get out of his Young Money/Cash Money deal, hence the title of the cd, meanwhile 2 projects later (soon to be 3 with More Life in December) and he's still on YMCMB, with Weezy, Birdman, J. Prince, Jimmy Iovine, his agents, managers, and lawyers all still getting a cut of every song/cd he drops.

Dude is signed to whatever company J. Prince has him signed to, YMCMB/Universal, Apple, and Jordan Brand/Nike, some of the biggest corporations in the world and THE biggest in their respective industries and people wonder why he can't be touched and never flops. These companies can put literally no money into promoting his projects, then buy 2-3 million of his albums or more, which is peanuts to them (or in Apples case just inflate the numbers at NO cost to them) and make him seem completely untouchable. There may never have been an artist in the entire history of the music industry who has so many different corporate interests invested in his success, as long as he has no serious scandals he's never going to be allowed to fail.

That must hurt