Nash fault
In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd
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Nash fault
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Spoken like somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about.
And you do?
Gil Scott-Heroin
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On this particular subject, yes I do.
Doubt it
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Says someone that believes it was Nash's fault because he didn't play as many minutes as Kidd. Do you have a counter to any of my arguments that I've made in here?
Nash played 31mins
Kidd played 36mins
Not a big difference, 5mins. Nash still wont catch up to Kidd in all time ast
You can't be fukkin' serious? Kidd and the Nets should have beaten the Pistons in 2004 - after they lost 90-69 in Game 7? Not only that, but Kidd had one of the worst playoff games in history, where he ended up SCORELESS on 0-8 shooting (playing 43 minutes) and was pretty much the main reason the Nets lost.
Context bro.
Kidd was on a bum knee and the pistons forced a fluke overtime in game six that left Kidd shot for game seven. Maybe they would have lost either way idk but I do remember thinking the Nets were clearly the better team and that the Pistons had noooo chance against the Lakers.
I do think if the Nets had made the Finals again that year they would have taken another L though. If only Vince Carter was on THAT version of the Nets.
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There has only been one player in the history of all 4 major professional sports that has multiple MVPs without ever leading his team to a Championship game/series....
We are speaking about a level of overatedness never experienced before..Even in the history of overrated CACdom, Nash is a unique case...
We are speaking about a level of overatedness never experienced before..Even in the history of overrated CACdom, Nash is a unique case...
He put up nice numbers not the video game numbers like he put up in Phoenix. When didn't Kidd make an impact or ball on whatever team he was on in his prime.How did Kidd have more success?
Kidd didn't have the skillset/ability to average anywhere near 15 assists, certainly not in that "Suns system" - which is still one of the biggest misconceptions in basketball when discussing Nash's value and ability as a player. Kidd controlled the ball more than arguably any other player in the league during his time in Phoenix (not to mention playing 38-41 minutes a game), and the most he could average was 10.8, 10.1, 9.1 and 9.8 assists. Nash was out there averaging 11.6, 11.5, 11.4, 11.1 and 11.0 assists while only playing 32-35 minutes.
Nash was playing on average FIVE less minutes than Kidd, and still averaged more assists on roughly the same amount of touches per minute. This is all without mentioning Nash ran some of the greatest offenses this league has ever seen when he was given free rein, when Kidd was given free rein - he was either orchestrating league-average or league-bad offenses.
Of course it can be, because you don't need the rebound to initiate transition offense. In the grand scheme of things, his rebounds had no significant impact on the game. Nash was able to generate more points either for himself or for his team on the fast break or within the first third of the shotclock than Kidd could have EVER imagined, yet he didn't need to grab the rebound to do this. Some of y'all need to change your belief systems in basketball and stop overvaluing traditional stats as if they're the basis of impact.
There's nothing wrong with you taking Kidd over Nash - if he's your personal preference. There is something wrong with you when you claim Kidd has just as much impact as Nash did. He simply didn't. Reality tells a completely different story.
Age 26 - 15.6 ppg on 48% shooting, 7.3 assists (first season he was the fulltime starter in Dallas)
Age 27 - 17.9 ppg on 48% shooting, 7.7 assists (again, in Dallas)
Age 28 - 17.7 ppg on 46% shooting, 7.3 assists (again, in Dallas)
Age 29 - 14.5 ppg on 47% shooting, 8.8 assists (again, in Dallas)
His rise to superstardom was less about Phoenix's system (he actually was the system, but that's another argument altogether), and more about he was allowed more freedom on offense and his career-arc (being a late bloomer) when he left Dallas.
Kidd did not shine in every system he played in. Complete revisionism.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Pretty much whenever he was one of the main players on a team. He crippled the effectiveness of his teams' offenses, because of his inability to score.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Overrated or not - he was still a better player than Kidd in his prime.There has only been one player in the history of all 4 major professional sports that has multiple MVPs without ever leading his team to a Championship game/series....
We are speaking about a level of overatedness never experienced before..Even in the history of overrated CACdom, Nash is a unique case...
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You never watched them play then...Overrated or not - he was still a better player than Kidd in his prime.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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I actually did. In fact I went to Nets games regularly when I was young. Not to mention Kidd was one of my favorite players growing up. Nash clearly had more impact on the game, whereas Kidd was a hindrance to his team's offense - which is really irrefutable.
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I actually did. In fact I went to Nets games regularly when I was young. Not to mention Kidd was one of my favorite players growing up. Nash clearly had more impact on the game, whereas Kidd was a hindrance to his team's offense - which is really irrefutable.
Kidd clearly had more impact on the game, whereas Nash was a hindrance to his team's defense- which is really irrefutable..