In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd
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Gil Scott-Heroin
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Triple doubles (especially in the fashion that Kidd got his) are meaningless without proper context. I suppose you think Rondo is better than Nash too, since he has more career triple doubles.
Jason Kidd is the NBA all time career leader of triple doubles, andat cats actually thinking Nash was even close to his level.
MrWestGrand
The Negotiator
Kidd is actually 3rd, behind Oscar Robinson and Magic. So to say those stats are irrelevant is crazy.Triple doubles (especially in the fashion that Kidd got his) are meaningless without proper context. I suppose you think Rondo is better than Nash too, since he has more career triple doubles.
Because i) he was still growing as a player and didn't have the opportunity to shine - he didn't become a fulltime starter until he was 26 ii) Phoenix allowed him to freelance and push the pace more to his liking. You starting to sound like those dudes who use the "system" narrative against Curry breh.
He was still growing as a player at 36?
Nash went from having fans in dallas wanting van exel to take his spot to a 2 time mvp
Stop it breh
@gator_king these dudes aint even trying
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Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
His peak was around 30-33. He was still a good player at 36, but not the player he once was. Where are you getting this 'still growing at age 36' talking point from?He was still growing as a player at 36?
Van Exel was putting up numbers on a bad Nuggets team, to basically ending up being a non-factor (after a good postseason stint) in Dallas where he was traded after one full season. Whereas Nash kept going from strength to strength on a team that best utilized his skillset and allowed him more freedom. Let's not act like he wasn't putting up 18 and 7 on high efficiency as soon as he was the fulltime starter in Dallas either.
I said he put up better numbers at 36 than 26
You said he was still growing as a player and he didnt get a chance to shine
Show me another player out of the THOUSANDS who have played in the nba who have done that. Just one
Ill wait
His numbers at age 36 are better than his numbers from ANY season in dallas
Dallas
18 and 8
18 and 7
15 and 9
Phx
Age 35 - 17 and 11
Age 36 - 15 and 11
Age 37 - 13 and 11
More efficient in Phoenix too
Yall arguing against facts
Show me another player in history who has done this. If 3000 people have played in the nba and only one guy has done something, that should tell you something
Compare the per 36 minute numbers and the gaps are even bigger
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
He started his first season at 26 and Dallas' offense was still designed around Finley (who got most of the touches - he even averaged 4.4 assists) and Nowitzki - where he played 4-8 less minutes than both of them and averaged 15 and 7. The following season he was given more duties on offense and he put up 18 and 7 - his #s speak more about his role on the team than they did of his ability. If 36-year-old Nash was playing in Dallas during the early 00s he wouldn't have the chance to put up the #s he did due to the personnel, structure and limited role on the team.I said he put up better numbers at 36 than 26
You said he was still growing as a player and he didnt get a chance to shine
Show me another player out of the THOUSANDS who have played in the nba who have done that. Just one
Ill wait
Again - this was because he had more freedom on offense and the team played at a faster pace. He was still the same caliber of scorer when he was in Dallas, and he still led some of the league's best offenses while in was there too. I still don't understand what you're trying to get at by referencing his #s, as if being in Phoenix gave him some magical powers of scoring and passing that he didn't already have before he got there.
Should tell me what? Nash had the same ability in Dallas - all that changed was his role and touches. The only real difference is that he grew as a playmaker (which again was down to him having more offensive freedom), which plenty of players do over the course of their careers. Nash just happened to sustain that level for a longer period of time because that's just how great he was.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
That should tell you automatically how irrelevant triple doubles are without the proper context. Oscar and Magic are two of the greatest offensive players that ever played the game, Kidd was a league-average offensive player during his time in the league
Oscar was putting up 30-31 ppg on high efficiency, 9-10 rebounds and 10-11 assists during his peak
Magic was putting up 20-24 ppg on high efficiency, 7-8 rebounds and 11-12 assists during his peak
Kidd was putting up 15-18 ppg on extremely low efficiency, 6-7 rebounds and 8-10 assists during his peak
Kidd was out there not only putting up low points on low efficiency, but he was also averaging 3-4 turnovers a game to go with his 8-10 assists. Magic and Oscar were the main reasons their teams' offenses were historically great (more so the former) - Kidd was one of the main reasons why his teams' offenses were average/bad.
Keep voting for Kidd, Kidd is the better choice
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
@Gil Scott-Heroin you have a lot of patience lol
MrWestGrand
The Negotiator
Outside of averaging two more points than Kidd career wise and the two MVP seasons, Nash Career averages fall short of Kidds career wise. They practically have the same amount of years played. Kidd was a better defender, better rebounder, and was the overall better basketball player. Sure Nash had a better shooting percentage, but never got out the Conference finals. The top 5 leaders in Triple Doubles, all HOFs,all champions, guys like Rondo isn't even top 10.
Ast. Total AST
Kidd 8.7. <<<<< 12,091
Nash 8.5. <<<<< 10,335
TOV
Kidd 2.9
Nash 2.9
Kidd 8.7. <<<<< 12,091
Nash 8.5. <<<<< 10,335
TOV
Kidd 2.9
Nash 2.9
seymour cake
All Star
Kidd is the best point guard I ever seen.. well at least in my generation, I was born in 88. ..
Dude is a walking triple double.
Dude is a walking triple double.