In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Even though shooting is a huge part of the game and Nash had that over Kidd everything else is in Jason's favor so I would choose him if I had to pick between the two.

Besides man-to-man and help defense (which you can only have so much impact as a PG), Kidd didn't have anything else over Nash. Where the offensive impact Nash had over Kidd, is pretty much the difference between prime Chris Paul and Mike Conley.

 

[Tunez]

To this day I still feel he was robbed. Should've one at least one of those two years.

He was robbed

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The fact of the matter is that he still DID regardless of the circumstance.

Yet not only did Nash's Suns have superior team records, but they also played against better competition and defeated teams in the postseason who would've completely dominated Kidd's Nets. Yes Kidd still did go to two straight Finals, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the better player based purely on that. All team achievements are circumstantial - especially shyt like Finals appearances and rings.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Kidd has a better defensive rating than nash

Defensive rating is a team based stat. Not only that but those Nets squads were slow paced, defensive-orientated teams with a great defensive scheme - besides the Spurs they were the best defensive franchise for a large part of the '00s. No one would argue that Kidd is the better defender, but like I said above - you can only have so much impact from the PG position on defense. Not to mention Kidd only had a high-level of impact on the defensive end (as a PG) for a few years, he lived off reputation for many years (even during his prime) when he was no longer that good.

 

[Brozay]

Jason Kidd is so overrated, it's fukking comical

 

[Omar Little]

Jason Kidd is so overrated, it's fukking comical

You would Take Stee Nash over Him though?

 

[How Sway?]

Kidd all the wayyyyy


The east was VERY weak back then but The nets were a complete joke before he got there and took them to the finals.

 

[hayesc0]

Jason Kidd is so overrated, it's fukking comical

Why do you think he is overrated?

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

I'd pick Nash. Kidd may have been a more complete player but gimme prime Nash.

All this talk about the Nets making 2 finals is fugazi considering how weak the east was. They had great defenses but Kidd couldn't lead them to be more than an average (maybe even below average) offense. They were also limited at defending bigs (they had a rotation of Martin, Collins & McCullough/Mutombo) and were helped by facing mediocre bigs in the east. During the 2002 playoffs, these are the bigs they faced: young Jermaine O'Neal/Brad Miller (Pacers), PJ Brown/Elden Campbell (Hornets) & Tony Battie (Celtics)

In 2003, their first round opponents the Bucks had a rotation of Tragic Johnson/36yo Anthony Mason/Joel Przybilla The Celts had a center rotation of Tony Battie & Mark Blount The Pistons had Ben Wallace ( on offense), rookie Okur & old ass Cliff Robinson

They were torched in the finals by Shaq/Duncan (as most teams were tbf). I had no doubt if they faced the bigs the west had, they wouldn't make it past the 1st round.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Jason Kidd is so overrated, it's fukking comical

Dude was one of my favorites growing up, and it took me a while to really understand how he wasn't that good. One of the most overrated players of the modern era.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Kidd all the wayyyyy


The east was VERY weak back then but The nets were a complete joke before he got there and took them to the finals.

They weren't a complete joke before he got there, they had injures during the previous season and made signings/trades (in addition to the trade for Kidd) which helped them turn the franchise around. They probably would've been a better team had Marbury stayed and they never traded for Kidd in the first place.

 

[Brozay]

Why do you think he is overrated?

Would you rank him ahead of Chris Paul?

 

[hayesc0]

Would you rank him ahead of Chris Paul?

Yes although I think paul is a bit underrated because people like to hate him.

 

[Brozay]

Yes although I think paul is a bit underrated because people like to hate him.

Then he's overrated. There is absolutely no way Kidd is better than CP3 and it seems like general consensus that Kidd > Paul

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Been a Suns fan since childhood.

I'd roll with Kidd.Love Nash.The coolest athlete I've ever met.


But I loved watching Kidd more.One of the most unique talents to ever play in the NBA.Could dominate a game without scoring.Lil shyt....like snatching loose balls....saving the ball from going out of bounds .etc....Kidd was gifted at that shyt.

Other than Dennis Rodman, I don't think there's been a better "hustle" player.People would just never think to acknowledge that coming from the PG position.Dude just had a crazy knack for the ball.Mutant like.

1 Jason Kidd= A whole team of intagibles.

You could put a prime J Kidd on the laziest/lowest IQ team in the league right now, and they'd instantly become one of the smartest/most hustling teams on the planet.All because of his enormous effort & energy


The lil glue shyt....he was phenomenal at it.