Is the NFL fixed?

[Deaf2twothirds]

you mean the team that hosts, doesnt make it?

Yessir the city team that hosts the bowl. So count the Giants n Jets out this year

 

[MostReal]

As long as people like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson are winning games in the NFL....I believe without a shadow of a doubt that the NFL is fixed.

I'll never forget that play when some garbage RB for GreenBay, Samcon Goto fumbled in the endzone so he wouldn't get a safety...Detroit picked the ball up on the one. The ref walked out there with a straight face and said it was a forward pass.

I was done thinking anything was truly legit. No way Green Bay is suppose to be winning all these games over the NFC North & a guy named Russell (as his 1st name) will NEVER get respect from me.

did I mention how much I hate Golden Tate

 

[Lakers Offseason]

So coaches are in the fix too? So some of them act like complete imbeciles, lose their coaching gig and high salary because they're also in on the fix?

How about the owners who own losing franchise? They're content with being the retarded fat kid on the block who help other teams make money?

I believe there are crooked refs who may influence games because they might be in on it with bookies, but to say someone like Robert Kraft is orchestrating the outcomes of games is .

 

[bangbreh]

all obvious bias aside you can't tell me that sea vs. pitt Super Bowl wasn't gift wrapped for Bettis in his final year

 

[USSInsiders]

So coaches are in the fix too? So some of them act like complete imbeciles, lose their coaching gig and high salary because they're also in on the fix?

How about the owners who own losing franchise? They're content with being the retarded fat kid on the block who help other teams make money?

I believe there are crooked refs who may influence games because they might be in on it with bookies, but to say someone like Robert Kraft is orchestrating the outcomes of games is .

There's other ways to fix games blood. It isn't all about the W or L.

 

[andre patton]

conspiracy theorists always leave me so confused on how they can fully believe this stuff. all sporting events leave a good amount of control in the refs. im sure the refs are pressured to help ensure certain favorable outcomes. but to sit here and think there is an all out from top to bottom conspiracy...as if the NFL is scripted like the WWE sounds incredibly implausible to me.

as for the players being in on it....how could that be? did you play sports as a kid? how about at a big D1 school? were you in on the fix too? how could all these world class athletes...the most athletic people on earth...that have dedicated their life to this sport...sacrificed their bodies, time with families, physical and mental health, etc, agree to play a fixed sport they had no idea that was fixed in the first place? like they dont have a shred of moral decency.

and what about all those NFL players that had brain damage from concussions...and the NFL wasnt trying to pay them? What stopped them from just saying fukk the NFL we're going to blow the whistle on this whole operation and get paid from the tabloids? Or NFL players that still had some juice in the tank, but were blackballed from the league? so the CIA cant stop Snowden from leaking classified top secret info on the US...but Goodell can stop TO from telling people the NFL is fake?

these figures always leave me with the face. what idiot randomly quoted "yeah they were 100 million high on the steeler bets" when the nevada RECORD super bowl handle is 98 million was it a 7 figure swing? sure. was it a low 8 figure swing? sure. maybe even an inspector gadget like reach it was a mid 8 figure swing. there is ZERO chance there was 100 mil that changed hands on some random ass steelers/chargers midseason football game. you can literally manufacture a storyline out of any game. that is the medias job. they will shove the fukking storyline down your throat, until you and the shyt you just took are interested in watching. thats what they do.

both valid arguments. 100 million sounds wrong to me. but say it was right. then that means your average crappy game has 100 million on the line. better games would have 200-300 million. week in and week out. the total bets for an NFL week would be in excess of a billion...excess of 20 billion on the year. why would they risk all that potential money...on one game which would be less than 1% of the total? the reward doesnt outweigh the risk...because people would obviously stop betting if they had conclusive evidence it was rigged.

as for the media...shyt theres a slow news day all the time. doesnt mean the cancel the evening news. you can pick any 2 random nfl teams and drum up some history, rivalry, link between the teams (NFL players and coaches is actually a pretty small circle, everyones connected somehow) and sensationalize the story. the harbaugh bowl isnt even that good of a story. Ray Lewis wins a ring before he retires? Why would the NFL care about that to make sure it happens? The man killed someone. If anything Colin Kaep winning would have been a more heartwarming story for the public (poor black kid adopted by loving white parents wins a SB ring). point is you can easily make subplots for any nfl game...give the media enough time to sensationalize it and it becomes much bigger to us than it would be by itself.

This would be true if everything was purely anecdotal. He presented the anecdotes because that's what initially piqued his interest on the topic and made him want to investigate more, that's pretty much how most of life's discoveries come out. Somebody makes a noticeable observance of a common occurrence that does not necessarily coincide with how they once perceived things to be. But he does report accounts of first-hand individuals stating how the game is fixed. Afterwhile, it can't just be mere coincidence anymore. That Polamalu TD for instance is an example, it was a clear fumble, recovery touchdown. The play also has no implications on the final outcome of the game itself, Pitt would have won anyways. What it did change was the final score, which had Vegas implications,...70% picked Pitt -3, 100million on the line...doesn't seem like a coincidence to me

you can make a case either way though. people always find evidence to support their theory. if you take 50 years of NFL games, and pick out the 1 to 3 percent of games that were decided by a couple bad call which had vegas implications you could probably fill up a book. we're only paying attention to these games, and assuming this happens often because its the stuff that sticks out in our minds.

 

[same damn lo sweater]

i always thought it was odd how close almost every monday night game was back in the day. it'd come down to the last drive 90% of the games. i don't think its fixed, but chances are if you ever bet on it you questioned that shyt

 

[Maschine_Man]

So coaches are in the fix too? So some of them act like complete imbeciles, lose their coaching gig and high salary because they're also in on the fix?

How about the owners who own losing franchise? They're content with being the retarded fat kid on the block who help other teams make money?

I believe there are crooked refs who may influence games because they might be in on it with bookies, but to say someone like Robert Kraft is orchestrating the outcomes of games is .

You ever notice how it's always the same coaches being hired, the same guys being recycled over and over?
Regardless of how much they suck, they always seem to find a gig somewhere else?

It's because they "play the game" they are company men that are told what to do. So they keep getting jobs in new places. Nobody really knows how much money they REALLY make.

And the thing about owners with losing franchises is that they are STILL making tons of money.

The nfl is the only league that has a substantial revenue sharing package. Teams get most of their money from the collective pot that the nfl generates, from TV deals, to merchandising to other money.(including their so called "charity" work)

Even ppl that work for the NFL admit that they don't care if anyone GOES to the games, just as long as they tune in to TV and get those ratings up.
and did you know that the NFL even has revenue sharing on money made at the gates??

so teams that sell out all the time share their money with teams that don't sell out. So owners are STILL getting paid regardless.
http://harvardsportsanalysis.files....-nfl-business-model-and-potential-lockout.pdf

You can read that to find out more about how the NFL controls alot of the money and then distributes it down to the teams.

I don't even want to BEGIN with the gambling aspect. The NFL and gambling go hand in hand like they were made for each other.



and NFL parity.....the thing that makes the NFL great in so many ppls eyes.

All it does is keep fans thinking that their team "might be next"

it keeps fans from completely giving up on their teams because they always feel that they are only a year away.

But y'all can beleive what you want to believe, all I'm saying is that you guys need to do some more research and stop being so Naive and thinking that the NFL is such a pure and righteous sport, that beleives in integrity and fairplay.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

You ever notice how it's always the same coaches being hired, the same guys being recycled over and over?
Regardless of how much they suck, they always seem to find a gig somewhere else?

It's because they "play the game" they are company men that are told what to do. So they keep getting jobs in new places. Nobody really knows how much money they REALLY make.

And the thing about owners with losing franchises is that they are STILL making tons of money.

The nfl is the only league that has a substantial revenue sharing package. Teams get most of their money from the collective pot that the nfl generates, from TV deals, to merchandising to other money.(including their so called "charity" work)

Even ppl that work for the NFL admit that they don't care if anyone GOES to the games, just as long as they tune in to TV and get those ratings up.
and did you know that the NFL even has revenue sharing on money made at the gates??

so teams that sell out all the time share their money with teams that don't sell out. So owners are STILL getting paid regardless.
http://harvardsportsanalysis.files....-nfl-business-model-and-potential-lockout.pdf

You can read that to find out more about how the NFL controls alot of the money and then distributes it down to the teams.

I don't even want to BEGIN with the gambling aspect. The NFL and gambling go hand in hand like they were made for each other.



and NFL parity.....the thing that makes the NFL great in so many ppls eyes.

All it does is keep fans thinking that their team "might be next"

it keeps fans from completely giving up on their teams because they always feel that they are only a year away.

But y'all can beleive what you want to believe, all I'm saying is that you guys need to do some more research and stop being so Naive and thinking that the NFL is such a pure and righteous sport, that beleives in integrity and fairplay.

It's not the same HC getting recycled breh. This ain't the NBA. You look at all the new hires and they're all new guys. Except for maybe a few like Reid, who has a proven track record, these new hires are typically guys that have not had a HC gig. Bruce Arians, Chip Kelly, Marc Tresman are all new HC this year that have not had a HC job before. The year before Mularkey, Dennis Allen, Joe Philbin, Schiano, and Pagano were all first time HCs. You can even look beyond the past two years. Point being, the recycled HCs argument only really works in the NBA.

To your other points, I'm not arguing that the NFL shares revenue. But the marquee teams who are always winning make even more money that the teams that keep losing. As an NFL owner, for example the Browns, why would he agree to a strategy (fixing games on that level) that gives all the leverage to the teams like the Patriots year after year? shyt doesn't make sense.

Like I said, I think there are crooked refs out there that influence games for their own benefit. But some of the conspiracy theories about Kraft orchestrating who wins and loses is

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I'll never forget that play when some garbage RB for GreenBay, Samcon Goto fumbled in the endzone so he wouldn't get a safety...Detroit picked the ball up on the one. The ref walked out there with a straight face and said it was a forward pass.

When was this game? I'd like to see the highlights. I have a hard time believing they'd do something blatantly like that. I bet there's something you're missing.

A RB can throw a forward pass if he hasn't crossed the line, but if there's no eligible receiver, that would be intentional grounding and thus a safety.

 

[MostReal]

When was this game? I'd like to see the highlights. I have a hard time believing they'd do something blatantly like that. I bet there's something you're missing.

A RB can throw a forward pass if he hasn't crossed the line, but if there's no eligible receiver, that would be intentional grounding and thus a safety.

dude got a handoff on an off tackle...was in the middle of getting tackled in the endzone...fumbled the ball forward on purpose & they called it a 'forward pass'

The Lions wrapped up Gado in his own end zone with 6:59 remaining in regulation, prompting Gado to try to toss the ball forward. He was flagged for intentional grounding, resulting in an apparent safety that would have put the Lions ahead by two.
But officials huddled and ruled that Gado had attempted a legal pass, giving the Packers another chance.
"That was confusing, to be honest with you," Favre said. "But he's a bright guy with a lot of talent."
And if Gado hadn't flipped the ball away, he almost surely would have been caught for a safety. "I honestly can't fault him for that," Favre said.
Lions linebacker Earl Holmes didn't agree with the officials' call. Even if Gado's flip was a legal pass, Holmes said the holding penalty officials also called on the Packers on that play occurred in the end zone and should have been an automatic safety.
"There's no other way to tell me that that was not a safety," Holmes said. "You can't explain it."

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

But y'all can beleive what you want to believe, all I'm saying is that you guys need to do some more research and stop being so Naive and thinking that the NFL is such a pure and righteous sport, that beleives in integrity and fairplay.

This is the most annoying thing you conspiracy theorists do....act like we're naive and believe the alleged conspirators are "pure and righteous" simply because we don't believe your off the wall claims which you've done a poor job proving.


The NFL is about is cash, we all know that. No one thinks they're pure and righteous especially after the way they handled spygate. But that's one helluva a leap to saying they fix it. It requires too many people, to high of a risk. What's the incremental gain here? I can't believe it's worth the risk.

Refs on the take is one thing, and institutional fix isn't remotely believable.

 

[L&HH]

When was this game? I'd like to see the highlights. I have a hard time believing they'd do something blatantly like that. I bet there's something you're missing.

A RB can throw a forward pass if he hasn't crossed the line, but if there's no eligible receiver, that would be intentional grounding and thus a safety.

Now what dude's talking about but please explain that

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

dude got a handoff on an off tackle...was in the middle of getting tackled in the endzone...fumbled the ball forward on purpose & they called it a 'forward pass'

So, what, did they rule there was an eligible receiver in the area? Or he was outside the tackle box...it was off tackle.

Then there's the hold

 

[Huellz Santana]