2014 Nba Off Season Thread

[McTwerk]

30 days.

The reported offer was Bennett+Wiggins, so they are more than likely going to sign him to trade him. If they add anything else to the trade, they damn sure better get back Dieng......

You trying to play fantasy basketball or something?

Minny is balking at Wiggins, Bennett and picks for Love, so they going to add Dieng to the deal?

Cleveland doesn't have much leverage due to the fact that many teams could/will be interested in trading for Love before the deadline. Sure, no guarantee he resigns with that team but the potential of bringing a championship somewhere will get GMs working the phones.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I mean, it's lose Kevin Love for nothing at all, or get the last two number 1 picks in the draft plus another pick


To me, giving up Dieng would be fair for Wiggins, Bennett and a first.

It wouldn't be remotely worth it.

When did moving Love become so necessary that you have to trade Dieng?

You're forcing yourself to have to move Pekovic if you do that, all while having to wait TWO YEARS before you could find a big man, let alone a center who could play defense.


the worst case scenario in this whole ordeal is that Love is still on the team. This whole "lose Love for nothing" talk is crazy. You get another season out of Kevin Love and a shot at a playoff berth. If that's considered an L, accept it gracefully. Gotta remember, Wiggins is the only part of the deal assured to be there past next year if he gets dealt. Can't say the same about any other Cavalier.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Well of course they believe he'll have a better second season, he has nowhere to go but up that's just how awful he was.

Oh I agree Wiggins is the best asset that seems available for them right now. But giving up both Love & Dieng? Hell nah. Did you miss when Dieng got to start last year and was killing it? Averaged 12 points, 12 rebounds and 2 blocks as a starter even had a 20/20 game. I'd say Dieng has more value than Bennett right now. shyt Pekovic will probably be traded sooner than later so they can promote Dieng to starter.

They can't do that yet. If you're moving Love AND Pek, who's scoring?

Scroll up breh, I posted his starting stats.

They could play hardball and lose Love for nothing at all though, they are the ones with the risk here, not the Cavs. I feel like that's an even deal seeing as how the alternatives are lose Love for nada, get back Klay Thompson and max him out, or except the Celtics trade which is without those Brooklyn picks.

Getting back Wiggins, Bennett and picks is fair even if it means they have to give up Dieng, because at the end of the day they are going to lose Love, he's not re-signing so at it's core it's like trading Dieng by himself for those 2.

It's either lose Love in a year or lose Love and Dieng now. Do you not see how dumb option #2 is by comparison?

Plan A: Keep Love, watch produce, maybe eke out a playoff spot, watch him leave, morale boost for everyone, replace Love, the show goes on.

or

Plan B: deal Dieng too, be forced to move Pekovic to accommodate Anthony fukkin Bennett, have Ronny Turiaf play 40 minutes a night because there's no other big on the roster, and wait til 2016 to attempt to land a defensive big that won't cost you 8 figures.

Losing Love after next season has always been the best option. Why? Getting another PF won't vbe that hard, and despite how great Wiggins could be, moving on with Muhammad at the 3 is not a bad idea at all. He deserves the opportunity at least.

 

[Malta]

It's either lose Love in a year or lose Love and Dieng now. Do you not see how dumb option #2 is by comparison?

No, it's losing Dieng for Wiggins really, you're losing Love regardless

Plan A: Keep Love, watch produce, maybe eke out a playoff spot, watch him leave, morale boost for everyone, replace Love, the show goes on.

or

Plan B: deal Dieng too, be forced to move Pekovic to accommodate Anthony fukkin Bennett, have Ronny Turiaf play 40 minutes a night because there's no other big on the roster, and wait til 2016 to attempt to land a defensive big that won't cost you 8 figures.

Losing Love after next season has always been the best option. Why? Getting another PF won't vbe that hard, and despite how great Wiggins could be, moving on with Muhammad at the 3 is not a bad idea at all. He deserves the opportunity at least.

Plan A isn't happening, that team will not make the playoffs, more likely you have a start and end up having to take a package of Bennet + Waiters or Barnes + Lee, because by then everyone will know you have no other option.

Plan B. You have said before that you don't envision Dieng and Pek together, so one of them would be moved either way.

I thought you were all about losing a lot next year for Karl Towns, you trying to tell me at 7'0" 240lbs he's not your PF of the future? Personally, if I'm trading Wiggins & picks, I'm demanding Dieng in return since Love leaving is a forgone conclusion.

 

[tremonthustler1]

No, it's losing Dieng for Wiggins really, you're losing Love regardless

Love's not the irrelevant throw-in in the deal and he can't be treated as such. Right now, without Wiggins there isn't a huge hole at PG, SG, or SF moving forward assuming that three is Rubio/Lavine/Muhammad. Without Dieng, you don't have a 4 or 5 to move forward with and no way to get that without losing 60+ games which means your PG's gonna leave too. Given that they have no plans to rebuild, why deal with circumstances you didn't need to deal with?

Plan A isn't happening, that team will not make the playoffs, more likely you have a start and end up having to take a package of Bennet + Waiters or Barnes + Lee, because by then everyone will know you have no other option.

If they're even remotely in the hunt (which they will), they won't move Love. Not in the slightest. They'd let him walk and take that $35 mil L in the process.

Plan B. You have said before that you don't envision Dieng and Pek together, so one of them would be moved either way.

Yeah, when Dieng is ready to assume that role. He's not ready for 35 minutes a game. 20-25? Yes. Filling in for Pek if/when he gets hurt? Yes. Full-time starter Not yet. Also, like I said, if you move Pekovic now, you don't have a scorer in that starting lineup. In the meantime, Dieng is a very necessary handcuff for Pek in that rotation because Pek can't stay healthy. The plan is for Pek to play less, closer to the PT he had when he took over for Darko.

I thought you were all about losing a lot next year for Karl Towns, you trying to tell me at 7'0" 240lbs he's your PF on the future? Personally, if I'm trading Wiggins & picks, I'm demanding Dieng in return since Love leaving is a forgone conclusion.

NO fukkING WAY. Towns is gonna be great, but I'm not tanking for him. I'd rather not have a pick at all next year. If we lose a lot next year, Ricky's gone after the following year, and if he's gone, none of it matters.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

The emphasis this dude puts on Rubio is

 

[Llcoolbay]

Anybody see this #twitterpurge shyt, Somebody from Coli must have started that shyt

 

[Malta]

Love's not the irrelevant throw-in in the deal and he can't be treated as such. Right now, without Wiggins there isn't a huge hole at PG, SG, or SF moving forward assuming that three is Rubio/Lavine/Muhammad. Without Dieng, you don't have a 4 or 5 to move forward with and no way to get that without losing 60+ games which means your PG's gonna leave too. Given that they have no plans to rebuild, why deal with circumstances you didn't need to deal with?

He is to me you're going to lose him, whether it's for a shytty package form the Warriors, Celtics, getting back Wiggins or getting nothing at all in return. Wiggins would be viewed as an upgrade over Shabazz or LaVine, and look at you, finally believing in the LaVine . They have no plans to rebuild, but it doesn't matter cause the universe is going to force it on them anyway.

If they're even remotely in the hunt (which they will), they won't move Love. Not in the slightest. They'd let him walk and take that $35 mil L in the process.

Nah, I'm saying you will be out of it before the trade deadline, you're not going to play LaVine or Shabazz, it'll be more of Martin and Brewer with a bit of Budinger thrown in on the side while the young talent rots on the bench. And when you do have to move Love during the season, the packages will be horrific.

Yeah, when Dieng is ready to assume that role. He's not ready for 35 minutes a game. 20-25? Yes. Filling in for Pek if/when he gets hurt? Yes. Full-time starter Not yet. Also, like I said, if you move Pekovic now, you don't have a scorer in that starting lineup. In the meantime, Dieng is a very necessary handcuff for Pek in that rotation because Pek can't stay healthy. The plan is for Pek to play less, closer to the PT he had when he took over for Darko.

You don't have a scorer in he lineup? Fam, you're talking like the Wolves are going to compete next year, Kevin Love is going to half ass it even more than ever to make sure he doesn't get hurt, Flip won't play the young guys as much as he should because he wont trust them and realistically they should get the time cause that squad isn't going anywhere next year with or without Love.

NO fukkING WAY. Towns is gonna be great, but I'm not tanking for him. I'd rather not have a pick at all next year. If we lose a lot next year, Ricky's gone after the following year, and if he's gone, none of it matters.

Come on maneeee, Rubio isn't some franchise altering talent, he's playing at the deepest position in the league and if he goes he goes.

 

[tremonthustler1]

He is to me you're going to lose him, whether it's for a shytty package form the Warriors, Celtics, getting back Wiggins or getting nothing at all in return. Wiggins would be viewed as an upgrade over Shabazz or LaVine, and look at you, finally believing in the LaVine . They have no plans to rebuild, but it doesn't matter cause the universe is going to force it on them anyway.

Flip's gonna ride with that guy whether I like it or not. I'm just laying it out the way it is.

If they're forced to rebuild, they have way bigger problems than losing Love, and those problems would cost them the entire team. You might as well field call for Wiggins, because by losing Love, Dieng, Pekovic and Rubio within a span of 12-24 months, all you're gonna be left with is Wiggins counting down the days til he can get to Toronto

Nah, I'm saying you will be out of it before the trade deadline, you're not going to play LaVine or Shabazz, it'll be more of Martin and Brewer with a bit of Budinger thrown in on the side while the young talent rots on the bench. And when you do have to move Love during the season, the packages will be horrific.

Flip doesn't plan on starting Martin regardless. He regrets that contract. If the young talent rots on the bench, and he wasted all that time, Flip's never gonna find a coach to take that spot, but even if that all played out, they did that last year and won 40 games and should have won more. Less PT for the crap, more PT for the youngins, and it's hard to see how they get SIGNIFICANTLY worse unless something catastrophic happens to Rubio.

You don't have a scorer in he lineup? Fam, you're talking like the Wolves are going to compete next year, Kevin Love is going to half ass it even more than ever to make sure he doesn't get hurt, Flip won't play the young guys as much as he should because he wont trust them and realistically they should get the time cause that squad isn't going anywhere next year with or without Love.

He's done this for the majority of his contract extension (and he half-assed it by getting hurt). I'm sure the team knows how to deal with that.

As for the young guys, Flip trusts Lavine. If he doesn't trust the guys he's going to COACH, then why is he even here? (remember man, he's coaching the team too. He has a conflict of interest. Rebuilding doesn't suit his coaching career or his financial situation. If he was so down to rebuild with guys he wouldn't use, he wouldn't appoint himself. He would just hand the job over to his son now instead of later, and if his son has a shytty record, so what? It's not like his daddy would fire him.)

Come on maneeee, Rubio isn't some franchise altering talent, he's playing at the deepest position in the league and if he goes he goes.

If he goes, he goes, but he's taking what's left of the franchise with him and that's the truth. They're not getting that kind of talent again, not through trade, not through the draft, not through kidnapping, nothing. It ends at Ricky. If Love leaving for nothing leads to that, so be it and I have no issue with that, but don't guarantee it by accepting a crap trade just to say you got something. Rebuild all you want, nothing's gonna get rebuilt and the countdown to 2032 intensifies. Best for everyone.

 

[DoubleJ13]

But the move could carry significant benefits to the Thunder from a basketball standpoint while also ushering in a new wave throughout the NBA with how the D-League is used for team-building purposes. Two Thunder draft picks remain unsigned, and the arrival of the 66ers in Oklahoma City stands as confirmation that they’re likely destined to spend the year competing in the D-League.

For guard Semaj Christon, the 55th overall selection out of Xavier, it’s a natural landing spot. But with Josh Huestis, a first-round selection, the Thunder could be on the verge of breaking ground. As the 29th overall pick, Huestis would become the first player selected in the first round to forgo his rookie season to sign in the D-League. In other words, he’d be the first-ever domestic “draft-and-stash” player.

His selection, which on draft night was viewed as a duplicate of last year’s pick, Andre Roberson, also would make more sense. By taking Huestis with the second-to-last selection in the first round, the Thunder secured another critically cost-effective rookie scale contract. The difference is that standard four-year deal — two guaranteed years and two team options in the final two seasons — would come on the back end of a preliminary year in the D-League and ensures the Thunder would have Huestis developing in its program for at least five seasons. By going this route, the Thunder saves a roster spot and some precious salary for a season but also retains Huestis’ restricted free agency rights at the end of his fourth NBA season, affording OKC with the first chance to extend his contract. Committing to this route requires some sacrifice on Huestis’ part. His rookie scale contact would pay him slightly more than $1 million next season. His D-League deal will pay him approximately $25,000.

By committing to the Thunder pipeline, though, Huestis has as much of a guarantee as professional sports can offer. He has a franchise committed to developing him on the front end with the financial payoff fixed into the back end. Oklahoma City used a similar strategy with 2013 second-round pick Grant Jerrett and proved its commitment to him this week — and maybe honored its word — by awarding him with a contract extension that will provide long-term security.

Pretty interesting move by the Thunder.

 

[He Who Posts Well]

Pretty interesting move by the Thunder.

Yea keep stashing away players instead of getting your team immediate help. At some point they have to give themselves an opportunity to spend and try to get a player or two to help Durant and Sabo.

 

[Malta]

Flip's gonna ride with that guy whether I like it or not. I'm just laying it out the way it is.

If they're forced to rebuild, they have way bigger problems than losing Love, and those problems would cost them the entire team. You might as well field call for Wiggins, because by losing Love, Dieng, Pekovic and Rubio within a span of 12-24 months, all you're gonna be left with is Wiggins counting down the days til he can get to Toronto

We'll see, you have a lot of vets in front of LaVine.

Nah, trading Love is going to be viewed as a rebuild regardless, I think ultimately if you keep Dieng you will be better with Wiggins and the young dudes than you were with Love, but at the same time if you did trade Dieng most of the media would be like " they got Wiggins though". If you get back the Memphis or Miami pick for Dieng, then it's really not that big of a loss for you. For the Cavs it's a huge gain because they just don't have a center.....

Flip doesn't plan on starting Martin regardless. He regrets that contract. If the young talent rots on the bench, and he wasted all that time, Flip's never gonna find a coach to take that spot, but even if that all played out, they did that last year and won 40 games and should have won more. Less PT for the crap, more PT for the youngins, and it's hard to see how they get SIGNIFICANTLY worse unless something catastrophic happens to Rubio.

I'll believe it when I see it breh, Flip is praying for that Blazers situation and it just isn't going to happen because I think he'll just stick with the players he knows. There will always be a coach waiting in the wings for a job, always, it's not as grim as you think.

He's done this for the majority of his contract extension (and he half-assed it by getting hurt). I'm sure the team knows how to deal with that.

As for the young guys, Flip trusts Lavine. If he doesn't trust the guys he's going to COACH, then why is he even here? (remember man, he's coaching the team too. He has a conflict of interest. Rebuilding doesn't suit his coaching career or his financial situation. If he was so down to rebuild with guys he wouldn't use, he wouldn't appoint himself. He would just hand the job over to his son now instead of later, and if his son has a shytty record, so what? It's not like his daddy would fire him.)

Yeah, but this time it's going to be on 100 thousand trillion, the amount of fukks Love won't give this year will be on Ricky Davis level.

Plenty of coaches don't trust players, Lawrence Frank got fired for not trusting Drummond even though it was quickly apparent he was their best player even as a rookie coming off the bench. That urge to win will probably keep the young guys on the bench because they will make costly mistakes, if you trade for Wiggins he will make costly mistakes.

If he goes, he goes, but he's taking what's left of the franchise with him and that's the truth. They're not getting that kind of talent again, not through trade, not through the draft, not through kidnapping, nothing. It ends at Ricky. If Love leaving for nothing leads to that, so be it and I have no issue with that, but don't guarantee it by accepting a crap trade just to say you got something. Rebuild all you want, nothing's gonna get rebuilt and the countdown to 2032 intensifies. Best for everyone.

Come on manito, you're being a bit dramatic with Rubio, he is not an all-world talent. If you got Mudiay in the draft next year Rubio would be backing him up within 3 years or traded to a team that would his max contract request. I don't get why you're so invested in him, he's a good player, far from a great one and there are many PGs better than him, hell several guys taken after him in his own draft are better.

 

[Brozay]

Aaron Brooks to the Bulls is such a great move for them ... such a nice low key move

 

[360dagod]

Pretty interesting move by the Thunder.

that's all good, but they need immediate help...

 

[who_better_than_me]

Aaron Brooks to the Bulls is such a great move for them ... such a nice low key move

Brooks>>>>Nate