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Sustaining military spending doesn’t equate to being pro-imperialism. I’m very much anti war and actually would like to see us be more isolationist save for extreme human rights abuses (think Rwanda genocide). That said, we can’t lie and say we don’t benefit from the safety our military strength provides. I see the military as strong defense as opposed to how it’s been used, as an offensive
Who do you think keeps us on the offensive? There's absolute psychos in the Pentagon that keep that policy forward and that moves towards the contractors and congress that authorize and build this system. To move toward a more defensive stance we need leadership that'll walk in that building and change the way things are done. It will probably be the hardest fight next to health care.
 

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It’s absolutely not...but feel free to be annoyed. I’ve made my position clear - yes, keep spending based on current circumstances, cut if/when we stop policing the world and can spend more efficiently. No, I’m not in favor of cutting it just because we underspend elsewhere because I have zero faith anything not spent on military will be well spent elsewhere in this administration
I basically already said nevermind but thanks anyway. lol
 

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Who do you think keeps us on the offensive? There's absolute psychos in the Pentagon that keep that policy forward and that moves towards the contractors and congress that authorize and build this system. To move toward a more defensive stance we need leadership that'll walk in that building and change the way things are done. It will probably be the hardest fight next to health care.
On top of that if you are manager and you have a person/department spending a budget inefficiently is it logical to give them more $? Of course not, but some people want to twist themselves in a pretzel trying to justify it. lol
 

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Who do you think keeps us on the offensive? There's absolute psychos in the Pentagon that keep that policy forward and that moves towards the contractors and congress that authorize and build this system. To move toward a more defensive stance we need leadership that'll walk in that building and change the way things are done. It will probably be the hardest fight next to health care.
I agree, but fixing our disposition toward aggression doesn’t equate to spending alone. We could cut our military budget in half, there would be people looking to find countries to intervene in...including progressives who conveniently like to think all of their intervention causes are justified.

I’ve said plenty of times, I’m ready for us to be japan and pull back from the world stage as a whole.
 

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No it doesn't, the poll info I posted had Dems in the high 50 percentile for reduction. Congress is way off that.
How many Dems are protesting to lower military budget or calling their representatives about it. If 50%+ felt strongly a higher percentage would vote against.
 

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No it doesn't, the poll info I posted had Dems in the high 50 percentile for reduction. Congress is way off that.
This poll says only 31% of Dems want to decrease spending :ld:

How Republicans and Democrats View Federal Spending

and like breh said, the increase to the budget was basically any increase you’d give something to keep with inflation and rising costs, so it was effectively the same
 

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How many Dems are protesting to lower military budget or calling their representatives about it. If 50%+ felt strongly a higher percentage would vote against.
Where would I get that information? I posted a poll showing people's thoughts and feelings on the subject. Why isn't that not good enough?
 

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I agree, but fixing our disposition toward aggression doesn’t equate to spending alone. We could cut our military budget in half, there would be people looking to find countries to intervene in...including progressives who conveniently like to think all of their intervention causes are justified.

I’ve said plenty of times, I’m ready for us to be japan and pull back from the world stage as a whole.
Well mostly the spending cuts are so they can go toward domestic policy. Warren uses this method in her health care budget. And there will always be intervention. The Cia exists and we will maintain based all over the world regardless who is president. I don't know which true progressives are clamoring for military intervention but I get your point.
 

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im getting a bad feeling about this primary :snoop: i hope to fukkin christ that bernie or biden or whoever just wins it outright

theres so many goddamn candidates sucking votes away that it could be a disaster if delegates have to choose the nominee
 

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This poll says only 31% of Dems want to decrease spending :ld:

How Republicans and Democrats View Federal Spending

and like breh said, the increase to the budget was basically any increase you’d give something to keep with inflation and rising costs, so it was effectively the same
Oh is that what we do tie everything to inflation? No we don't, so why does the military have to be?
And that same chart says a majority want to keep it the same and inflation is not mentioned.
 

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im getting a bad feeling about this primary :snoop: i hope to fukkin christ that bernie or biden or whoever just wins it outright

theres so many goddamn candidates sucking votes away that it could be a disaster if delegates have to choose the nominee

Imagine if super delegates give it to bloomberg over bernie :mjlol:
 

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Sustaining military spending doesn’t equate to being pro-imperialism. I’m very much anti war and actually would like to see us be more isolationist save for extreme human rights abuses (think Rwanda genocide). That said, we can’t lie and say we don’t benefit from the safety our military strength provides. I see the military as strong defense as opposed to how it’s been used, as an offensive

Naive take to think that the military industrial complex will settle for a bloated defensive stance. War actively consumes resources and generates more money. The more money you pump into actual weaponry and services aimed at "defensive action", the more the defensive contractors and associated legislators will push for those weapons and services to be used actively where their maintenance will generate more money.

No one wants a weak defense. That is far from needing/wanting a military that dwarfs the military of the next 10 nation's combined.
 

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Oh is that what we do tie everything to inflation? No we don't, so why does the military have to be?
And that same chart says a majority want to keep it the same and inflation is not mentioned.
Keep the same means relative annual increases. Please don’t be that guy. When you get a small annual increase to your pay due to inflation, that’s basically the same pay, it’s not a substantial increase. No budget stays flat when it covers things that will cost more in the upcoming year. So the plurality are for keeping it the same or increasing, not decreasing as you were trying to make it out to be
 
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