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Sorry dawg, but there’s like 10 never trumpers and we keep hearing about their opinions like we should honestly give a fukk. Rubin and the rest of those losers demanding actual leftists bend towards their will is some of the most disgusting, annoying shyt I’ve seen this election cycle.
 

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Nah, Coli bros calling upper middle class people the elites, the enemy, and out of touch. :mjlol:

You said you look out for your self interest when it comes to how you vote, which is fine.

But when you draw that line, and you're straddling or on the other side of it across from poor and working class majority you're the opps, at least when those people actually start wielding their political power. That includes poor whites voting against their best interests to maintain the illusion that they're at least better than the poor 'others'.
 

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You said you look out for your self interest when it comes to how you vote, which is fine.

But when you draw that line, and you're straddling or on the other side of it across from poor and working class majority you're the opps, at least when those people actually start wielding their political power. That includes poor whites voting against their best interests to maintain the illusion that they're at least better than the poor 'others'.
There's a plan out there that provides healthcare for everyone that does not call for raising the taxes on the middle class.

You're attempting to frame it as selfish.

I'm telling you there's a better way.

Edit: if that makes me the opps you can suck my dikk
 

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Let me say it again. When you start taking significant chunks of money out of middle class homes you're advocating a further destruction of the middle class.

Similarly, you're making upward mobility even harder. When people can't retire, they hold on to jobs longer. Which depresses younger people entering the workforce.
 

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Just catching up on the morning shows. The framing of the coverage is so crazy, but not surprising. It’s like a therapy/strategy session how to beat Bernie.
 

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Let me say it again. When you start taking significant chunks of money out of middle class homes you're advocating a further destruction of the middle class.

Similarly, you're making upward mobility even harder. When people can't retire, they hold on to jobs longer. Which depresses younger people entering the workforce.

Any tax increase is offset by the savings Medicare would provide everyone.

Being able to graduate college debt free does more for upward mobility than the status quo can ever dream of.
 

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Any tax increase is offset by the savings Medicare would provide everyone.

Being able to graduate college debt free does more for upward mobility than the status quo can ever dream of.
This is not true for people who already have employer provided insurance.

We're not talking about student loan forgiveness. But that's another tax increase on the middle class. Can you push through both? At what cost?

At some point Bernie is going to have to get into the specifics and not just pie in the sky us.
 

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There's a plan out there that provides healthcare for everyone that does not call for raising the taxes on the middle class.

You're attempting to frame it as selfish.

I'm telling you there's a better way.

Edit: if that makes me the opps you can suck my dikk
Single payer is better
 

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I don't know WTF elite means.

Successful? Hard working? Experienced?

I'm not with this loser ass mentality that appeals to laymen and the under educated and under informed.
Nice straw man and false equivalency that anyone that uses the term 'elites' and/or supports Bernie isn't any of the things there in bold.
 

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In 2016, the DNC discovered from polling data and focus groups that the more people saw Bernie and heard him talk, the more they liked him.

So they starting putting the debates with Hillary on Saturday night :mjlol:

If Bernie does a lot of rallies and face time in those midwestern states and establishes a strong ground game, I’m confident he’ll sweep Trump in all 3.

For all the talk about Hillary losing those states, let’s not forget she lost by a combined 77,000 votes despite ignoring them like an idiot.

I remember that. :mjlol: Right up against the biggest college football games.
 
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